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where did you get the idea that "OPEN RANGE" land is free for the taking?

Over 200 years of ranching precedent Dane. That is why it is called "open range". Ranchers don't own that land but have been allowed to graze their cattle since the Spanish Rancho's in the 1800s. The BLM land use fee was enacted 20 years ago for the purpose of putting them out of business and running them off the land. It worked on hundreds of ranchers in the area and Bundy is the last man standing. This is a form of violent Fascism just as sure as "Kristallnacht" in 1930s Germany or the beginnings of the "Cultural Revolution" in China. We are being tested to see how we will respond to this action. Choose wisely.

A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.

where did you get the idea that "OPEN RANGE" land is free for the taking?

Over 200 years of ranching precedent Dane. That is why it is called "open range". Ranchers don't own that land but have been allowed to graze their cattle since the Spanish Rancho's in the 1800s. The BLM land use fee was enacted 20 years ago for the purpose of putting them out of business and running them off the land. It worked on hundreds of ranchers in the area and Bundy is the last man standing. This is a form of violent Fascism just as sure as "Kristallnacht" in 1930s Germany or the beginnings of the "Cultural Revolution" in China. We are being tested to see how we will respond to this action. Choose wisely.

A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.

for one thing, open range land should never have been used to generate profits at the expense of private land owners such as myself.. open range land is meant for the antelope, bears, various fishes, coyotes, wolves, wolverines, raccoons, etc. believe it or not, there was even a tune written about the open range, "where the deer and the antelope play" I don't think cattle or sheep were ever mentioned in that tune.. they also pollute the streams shitting all over.. spread noxious weed seeds,, need I say more?

furthermore Ted, did you know in certain counties in Idaho among other states that if you hit a cow on the road, you are entitled to pay for the rancher's loss? whether you are injured, or has totaled your car out? because of some ancient law that is maintained by the ranching industry holding positions of power in the local governments?

If you hit a horse, you are responsible for replacing that horse. If you hit a slow car, you are responsible for replacing that car. If you hit a telephone pole, you are responsible for replacing the pole. When you hit anything with your car, you are responsible for the damage. Basic rule of the road in every state and nothing to do with ranchers political power. Don't get it twisted.

where did you get the idea that "OPEN RANGE" land is free for the taking?

Over 200 years of ranching precedent Dane. That is why it is called "open range". Ranchers don't own that land but have been allowed to graze their cattle since the Spanish Rancho's in the 1800s. The BLM land use fee was enacted 20 years ago for the purpose of putting them out of business and running them off the land. It worked on hundreds of ranchers in the area and Bundy is the last man standing. This is a form of violent Fascism just as sure as "Kristallnacht" in 1930s Germany or the beginnings of the "Cultural Revolution" in China. We are being tested to see how we will respond to this action. Choose wisely.

A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.

for one thing, open range land should never have been used to generate profits at the expense of private land owners such as myself.. open range land is meant for the antelope, bears, various fishes, coyotes, wolves, wolverines, raccoons, etc. believe it or not, there was even a tune written about the open range, "where the deer and the antelope play" I don't think cattle or sheep were ever mentioned in that tune.. they also pollute the streams shitting all over.. spread noxious weed seeds,, need I say more?

Thousands of years of history in every country regarding open range land where sheep, goat, and cattle farmers have been allowed to graze. Barry and the BLM thank you for your support in their acts of violent fascism.

are you saying, that if I am zooming down an Idaho highway on a pitch black night and some cow is standing in the road (which it is allowed to do because of moronic "open range" laws) and I hit it cause I am legally driving a licensed car at the legal speed limit of 60mph.. and I kill the cow, total my car out, suffer severe lacerations from the wreck, that it's now fair for me to pay the rancher for his loss of the cow? not even to mention the financial loss I have now ?.. because of some corrupt open range law that will remain on the books because of the ranching industry "management team" sitting in the seats of local government power? do you think I'm that stupid? really?

don't know about your local laws jonny7, but if I "hit a horse" going down the road here in Missouri, then that farmer had better have good insurance, since he was not maintaining his fences properly..

are you saying, that if I am zooming down an Idaho highway on a pitch black night and some cow is standing in the road (which it is allowed to do because of moronic "open range" laws) and I hit it cause I am legally driving a licensed car at the legal speed limit of 60mph.. and I kill the cow, total my car out, suffer severe lacerations from the wreck, that it's now fair for me to pay the rancher for his loss of the cow? not even to mention the financial loss I have now ?.. because of some corrupt open range law that will remain on the books because of the ranching industry "management team" sitting in the seats of local government power? do you think I'm that stupid? really?

You are responsible for driving at a safe speed for the conditions so as not to run into stuff and damage other peoples property. See your local Vehicle code. Cows, horses, cars, mailboxes, fences... Yes Dane all of the above. You clearly have unsettled and irrational envy of cattle ranchers that has clouded your thinking and made you believe that their property is somehow less valuable than cars, fences, mailboxes light poles etc.

hey johnny7, just out of curiosity, and I know this is not related to Mike Talbot's post here, but in the range wars of the past between the cattlemen and the sheep herders, who would you have supported? and why?

don't know about your local laws jonny7, but if I "hit a horse" going down the road here in Missouri, then that farmer had better have good insurance, since he was not maintaining his fences properly..

Open range horses, cows and sheep have right-of way in Calif and Missouri... and the rest of the country. It is the law of the land and no special favor to cattle ranchers.

hey johnny7, just out of curiosity, and I know this is not related to Mike Talbot's post here, but in the range wars of the past between the cattlemen and the sheep herders, who would you have supported? and why?

I would support open range for both. If a rancher for either side breaks the open range laws, they would be subject to prosecution.

if you would study the facts sir, you would see Bundy owns no land but perhaps a 100 acre melon patch.. open range land is not considered the rancher's land, he rents it.. he does not own it, unless you are making a case for adverse possession..which would probably not stand on it's own merit in court.... don't get me wrong, I envy not you, not a rancher, not a corrupt government official, not one, but if somebody owes 20 years of back rent for making use of the land and profited or didn't profit, on that rented land then he should pay up.. you sound like you might want to squat on other people's land someday?

oh you are being evasive now.. tell me, why did the sheep people get in a war with the cattle people in the 1800's? please 1 simple question desreves 1 simple answer..

Yes Barry and the BLM thank you for your support in their acts of violent fascism. Kristallnacht part deux.


"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."
Winston Churchill

better get your law book out johnny7 and read the Missouri laws regarding hitting livestock on an open highway.. you are sadly mistaken..

better get your law book out johnny7 and read the Missouri laws regarding hitting livestock on an open highway.. you are sadly mistaken..

linky link?? Can you actually support this with facts?

Is this it?

304.012. 1. Every person operating a motor vehicle on the roads and highways of this state shall drive the vehicle in a careful and prudent manner and at a rate of speed so as not to endanger the property of another or the life or limb of any person and shall exercise the highest degree of care.

Or maybe this?

“Open Range”
roadways without fencing. On
roadways with open range
the “driver” must
exercise DUE CARE
and
NOT CRASH
into any
animals.
In this situation,
the driver can be held
liable in civil court proceedings
and may be
required to pay restitution to the livestock owner
for the costs associated with the animals injuries
and or the cost of replacing the animal.