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I have "0" problems with any of those. God created everything, therefore creation is his to do with as he pleases. I do understand why God does many of those things. You need study the whole scripture to understand how God works, at least to the degree that God wants us to understand. I know the reasons for every scripture posted on that page. A simple explanation is this. When someone disobeys God, he dealt out punishment in the old dispensation. When people denied God he considers them dead already. No one is born without sin, therefore we are all destined for destruction unless we accept his sacrifice for our sins, for sin entered the world through one man, and justification and forgiveness of sin cam through one man, Jesus Christ. There is a scriptural explanation for each and every one of the listed points. Anyone interested can simply study the scripture for that knowledge.

Where are the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures trying to show God to be a bad guy? The old dispensation was replaced by the new dispensation.

Spoke me into existence.
Can speak me out.
Only a fool would think he can "explain" the ways of our Creator.
If it were diligent honest queries into biblical knowledge, the Spirit would explain it sufficiently to meet one's concern and desires.
But it's not.

Sad.

Through Him all things were made. I alternate between the old and new Testaments and one finds that it all ties together in a nice neat package.

You can get a moral code out of it if you care to but you can get one of them at the grocery store - even theists tend to have moral codes.

It's about me being unable to meet the conditions necessary by the nature of things, to satisfy my creator. He can't handle sinners. He does not grade on a curve - 100% or you fail. We all fail. So He in effect, punished Himself for my sins and welcomes me as a son.

That's a big deal, in fact, the biggest.

Talbot

Yeah you are "staring down the barrel" on this one and sadly that would be the business end.

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Hi Guitar Mike,

I used to be an atheist so I understand how stupid this all looks from the outside. Funny thing is that it's even crazier on the "inside". So many of His people just know that they know Him. They can't explain it. Drives me crazy too. )

I'm probably another one, but I'd like to take a stab at that list...just not all of them at once, ok? But I'll do something God never does, which is defend Himself or His existence.

Here's the disclaimer *

I speak of my own opinion and not for God. I'm just gonna tell you what I've found out in 24 years of looking for the Truth. My trust is in Yeshua (Jesus).
But for something this important, why take the word of a stranger, Christian or otherwise??? Why don't you take time to read it for yourself, so you aren't getting played by religion?


But I will try to answer your legitimate questions as best a pea-brained human can, ok?

I'm not familiar with #1 so I will have to study it before addressing that one, ok? But #2 Is easy enough to explain. God had warned Lot's family not to look back. It's that simple. If she had obeyed, she would have lived like everyone who did. Why did He tell them that? I don't know...but I'll take a guess. He knew it would turn them into stone, for whatever reason.

The deeper meaning is that He doesn't want us to look back when we've been redeemed from the grave. We're all living on borrowed time. He's the bank.




#3 was really interesting, because as I read what the article said, I couldn't figure out what it could be talking about!?

I know this God!? It was THIS God who gave every human being dignity and value, or as He says "from the least to the greatest". It is THIS God who demands truth because He IS Truth. He demands true weights and judgments. He despises the wicked and protects the poor. He is light beyond brilliance and simply can not be in the presence of sin. That is what Holy actually means, "completely set apart" (from sin)

So in my heart I knew before I checked the referenced verses that this was NOT the God of the Bible accurately portrayed by the accuser.

And here's your answer. This verse is speaking about being a Priest in the House of God. This was an extremely physical job of serving thousands, if not millions in some times, in the Holy Temple. It was grueling work of lifting animals and other Temple duties. The Priests were the "government administration" also. They were, in cases, like the Police and Judicial system we have today.

The writer of this angry misinformed article tries to insuate God meant harm to to the poor and the lame. That is simply 180 degrees wrong. In most cases STILL today, He is the only One who cares for them.

All people, the lame, the blind, the poor in spirit...are welcome at the Lord's Table...always have been.



OK...too much to do right now...will get back if it's still going.

On to #4 - Moses and circumcision. This one is simple. Moses had been chosen to lead the people of Israel, some say it was up to 4 million people by then. He simply could not break the Law that applied to everyone else. Otherwise, he would be no better than your average politician, Obama or McCain.

Moses had a Midianite wife and they had never circumcised their son. He knew that it had to be done and yet he had not. This was very serious...it's the required sign of an agreed contract. Zipporah (Moses wife) knew this was serious and was angry that Moses had neglected this...and made her do it.

This was all established for many centuries already...going back to Abraham.


9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.




Circumcision is still a sign between God and the promised children of Abraham today. It is the sign of a contract between them for the land of Israel.

Some signs are not nearly as serious, like these;

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5) Committing So Much Genocide

God has killed so many people, you guys. Okay, I mean technically, God has killed everyone if you subscribe to Judeo-Christian thought, but I'm not talking about indirect methods, I'm talking about God murdering countless people in horrible ways simply because he's pissed off. God drowning every single person on the planet besides Noah and his family is pretty well known, but he also helped the Israelites murder everyone in Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan and many more, usually killing women, children and animals at the same time. Hell, God once helped some Israelites kill 500,000 other Israelites. God's crazy.




The person who wrote this is just ignorant. Their mischaracterization is off the charts here.

God doesn't kill the innocent. People do, and it is precisely because we have chosen to sin and be in rebellion that any murder happens at all. Humans suffer the consequences of other humans all the time, but God judges the blood thirsty and the wicked.

None of that would happen if humans would execute righteous judgement. Going way back to the very beginning of Creation, God made it crystal clear that anyone who is guilty of maliciously murdering an innocent person, should be put to death. That would stop it.


Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.


God is patient and slow to anger, but at some point He will forego mercy; and judgement is then required to bring redemption to what remnant of innocence remains.



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6) Ordering His Underlings to Kill Their Own Children




OK, remember that Abraham isn't just "some guy" wandering the desert. He had been the son of an idol-maker in Chaldee (Iraq) and was now the most faithful person on earth. The bible says that Abraham trusted God, and walked with Him daily. They had a relationship of being friends, which had not happened since Adam walked with God in the Garden of Eden. This is what God desires from all of us, so God had chosen Abraham as the one person on earth who could lead the rest of us into a personal relationship with our Creator, like they had.

He promised Abraham a miracle son in his old age, whom Abraham certainly must have adored. So when God asked Abraham if he was willing to sacrifice the thing that meant most to him, it was a test of Abraham's faith, to see whether he put God first, or whether he was only trying to get a deal from God. Which are you, btw?

It was through Isaac that Abraham's promised seed would be multiplied more than the sands of the sea. Now that Isaac was a grown man, this was as much a test for him as it was for his father, Abraham. Isaac could have easily overcome the old man...but instead he carried the wood to the altar and willingly laid on it while being tied down.

According to the book of Hebrews, Abraham believed with perfect faith that God would raise Isaac from the dead, if he indeed would have been killed. There was never any doubt in his mind that God would keep His promise.

This is a beautiful picture of the Cross, where the Father was willing to give His only son for the redemption of all people.

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Now regarding Jepthtah, as written of in Judges 11, it is simply a common misunderstanding that he killed his daughter. He did not. Here is the pertinent verses:


34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back. 36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon. 37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. 38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, 40 that the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

His vow was, upon return from a successful battle, to make whatever animal came from his house first a burnt offering. The burnt offering is a symbol of utter devotion to the Lord. When his daughter came forth before any animals, it meant that she was now to be devoted unto the Lord for the rest of her life.

She was Jepthtah's only child, but because of his vow she remained a virgin for the rest of her life, which meant Jepthtah had no descendants.

Ya know...all of these false accusations against God have a reasonable explanation, which is: this angry misinformed person is ignorant of the truth.

Shall I go on explaining why? I don't mind if you're listening.



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7) Killing Egyptian Babies

Let's be completely up front: The Egyptians and the Jews did not get along. According to the Bible, the Egyptians enslaved the Jews, but the Jews had God on their side, if you kind of ignore God letting his people be enslaved in the first place. Rather getting his worshippers the hell out of there, God wanted to show those damned Egyptians what for, releasing 10 plagues that began with turning the river Nile into pure blood, and ending with the slaughter of the first-born of every single Egyptian man and animal. Now, I suppose it's possible that some, or even most of these first-born were adults who were shitty to the Israelites. But some of them had to be babies who didn't even have the time to persecute the Jews yet. And what the hell did the animals do to the Jews to get caught up in this nightmare? Were there proto-Nazi cows running around who needed to be punished for their transgressions against the chosen people? And you realize there were cats in Egypt, right? Cats who had first-born? God killed kittens. (Numbers 16:41-49)




Much more ignorance.....


God didn't single out "egyptians" for slaughter. Ever. In Exodus 12, it is clear that a mixed multitude of every nation, including Egyptians, came out of the land with the Jews.

So who lost their firstborn? Anyone who wanted to challenge God.

The Ram was worshipped as a representation of the gods in Egypt, so basically the hebrews were saying they weren't afraid of the idols of Egypt by eating one. This would have horrified all "religious" egyptians....but even Jews who did not put the blood of a lamb on their doorposts would suffer the same fate as an Egyptian who didn't heed the warning.

Race, ethnicity, social status, and wealth wouldn't matter if you didn't obey this simple act of trust.

EVERYONE knew it was coming, so it was a personal choice to challenge God on this matter. By the end of that night, EVERYONE knew there was a God greater than the gods of Egypt. This is precisely why Pharaoh let them go.

Do you really want to challenge him also? Only the blood of the Lamb of God will save you from the judgement of God coming upon the earth, once a clear distinction has been made between His people and those who choose not to be His people.





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As good an explanation as any.

It's really simple.
Read the Bible in a passive secular search and all you will get is confused.
Mark study learn and inwardly digest in prayer for the guidance of The Spirit and in Faith in Christ and you will be granted wisdom.