General Music Chat

I don't think the performers are given a choice these days.
Yes, lots of bands play stadiums, but not like the superbowl setup - temporary movable stage, in the middle of the field.

and i respectully say ...bullcrap.

doubt it? here check out TWO live superbowl performances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScA2FqJn9ic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLXodyK0E

Perhaps all you guys are too young to remember (HAH - I know you are not!) shows like American Bandstand, Hullabaloo and Where the Action Is. 95% of all those performances were lipsynched before the term was coined.

well, as i had mentioned above (using Soul Train as an example)...that was a common practice on many shows back in the day.

i still stand by the notion that there are certain artists you'd never see doing that NOW.....ANYWHERE.

no doubt the WHO and Serpell were given the choice to lip sync to pre-recorded music. and at least in these two instance their integrity and self respect led them to perform live.

and they gets big points points in my book.

as for technical concerns...as i said above...yeah, i understand the headaches of the logistics involved but keep in mind both of those for real LIVE performance were from a few years back.

does anyone believe that the technology ISN'T better NOW than even those few yrs ago????

so...it CAN be done. it's simply a matter of whether the performer is ok w phoning it in or not. that's my opinion anyway.

i'm thinking of other for real LIVE performances....Tom Petty, Stones, Springsteen, etc...and all these from a while back with cruder and more primitive equipment and technology.

so if there's any doubt about what i'd do it'd be this choice:

I'd rather not, but if the band agrees we should...i'll play ball

and that'd would only be after i tried my damndest to talk my bandmates out of it.

it's totally about integrity and being honest for me. as pious and preachy as it may sound....music is too big a part of who i am to be dishonest about it.

i'll NEVER have the same respect for the RHCP that i did before. and seeing any artist that goes the route of hanging their ass(es) out by risking a real LIVE performance....that only INCREASES my respect for them.

in the case of RHCP, it makes me ask myself ...is the increased sales really worth faking it if it damages your rep (as it no doubt does w a lot of people)?

so...it CAN be done. it's simply a matter of whether the performer is ok w phoning it in or not. that's my opinion anyway.

It's not the performer's choice how it's done. Their only choice is whether they want to play for the biggest televised event in the entire world...or not.

I would respect someone who didn't do that for artistic reasons, but I'd probably still watch whoever played during halftime and laugh at them too.

I wasn't sure who Bruno Mars was. Now I know.

i'm thinking of other for real LIVE performances....Tom Petty, Stones, Springsteen, etc...and all these from a while back with cruder and more primitive equipment and technology.

Yes, but you only heard the mixed version coming through your speakers. It may have sounded much differently in the "room".

We don't know that it sounded good at all to the people there with such a fast mix. My guess is that those "LIVE" concert performances were synched up with a track (like Ashley Simpson) with some percussion and keyboards and vocals that would be too hard to mix on the fly.

As someone who also produced TV, I understand the need for predictability with live television audio time schedules. That was the simplest solution.....so musician egos be damned!

Anyone don't want to play? I doubt they care.

so...it CAN be done. it's simply a matter of whether the performer is ok w phoning it in or not. that's my opinion anyway.

It's not the performer's choice how it's done. Their only choice is whether they want to play for the biggest televised event in the entire world...or not.

ted, i'm not trying to be argumentive....but do you KNOW that for a FACT??? or are you speculating?

do you KNOW for a FACT that Mac wasn't given the choice of live or faking it?

i don't believe for a second that if the producers had their hearts set on a performance from someone as big as, oh...let's say Elton John....and EJ said "love ta do it mate but me and the band play live, or not at all"....i could totally see them weighing the pros and cons and letting EJ have his way if they wanted him bad enough.


As for what the mix sounds like in the stadium....do ya really think that's much of a concern for the promoters???? i don't.

fans in the stands have already paid to be there. and the powers that be already have their money in hand.

as for us viewers at home hearing a "mix" minus stadium echo when we're watching on TV....cool by me. what viewer wouldn't want to hear the best mix?

i'd sure rather hear that than a crappy mix of "the room".....that ain't cheating as i see it. certainly not on the same level as pretending to be singing and playing instruments.

For the paying customer (NFL), who has FOX under contract to produce the game, it's a practical decision with millions of dollars riding on the half-time time show sounding great.

Yes, I'm sure it wasn't Mac's decision, and his only option was to turn it down completely.

It might have been different had there been one band onstage...but a second band joining in halfway through a song makes it a very difficult situation for the sound man, both live and on TV.

We can't blame amy musician for doing what the customer wants them to do. Getting paid a lot of money to act like you're playing a guitar part (that you actually played on the recording) is a gig most of us would take. He was actually playing the part, we were just hearing a different recording of it.

Besides, everyone is using tracks today, and overwhelmingly audiences clearly do not mind. I see no reason to be ashamed of a paying gig where you keep your clothes on.

I never watch sports .. or TV at all. And I'd never go to hear music performed in a stadium.
But it is hard to avoid news about the Superbowl ...

From what I understand Bruno was the headliner, not the RHCP.
According to accounts I've read, he played a drum solo on a kit that appeared to be mic'd (live I am guessing?) .. as well as singing a set with his band.

Did Bruno's band the "Hooligans" play live, or did they fake it too? I have not read a word about that, so I would guess it's not much an issue for his fans.

The RHCP's were Bruno's guests and joined him to play one (only 1 song) of their tunes. Bruno sang live, as did Kiedis.

In an interview, Flea says he is grateful to Bruno for offering them the opportunity and said he understood the reason for having to fake it to make the show streamlined.

I am really not surprised at all that the RHCP's would do it. They have always been about visual props like jumping around without shirts to help sell their music. That they did not plug in their instruments is sort of being touted by some as a gesture of integrity.

I think it would have been a much more significant statement if they had showed up without their instruments at all and just jumped up and down on stage doing "air guitar" etc. while their song played ... that's what I would have done anyway.

The RHCP's are not quite of the same "heritage" stature as McCartney, the Who, or Elton John, and they were not the headliners, so they had no clout to bargain or make demands. The headliner Bruno is a new face in pop music, seeking wider exposure, so he probably did not argue the point much either.

it wasn't actually a paying gig, but there is a payoff.


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Good to see Vinny hasn't be driven off, (yet).. lol

Good to see Vinny hasn't be driven off, (yet).. lol

perhaps the right gorgeous blonde driving a Bentley just hasn't shown up yet.

I am not sure if he likes blonde chicks, brunettes or redheads the best.

(I am scared of red heads, especially after the last fiasco. They like to "hit".) lol

Bentley? What a waste of $!

I thought sure Glenny or similar ran him off, he even removed his avatar.
(yikes)

"Another possible political prisoner".. LMAO

Thanks Planetguy, for the optimistic speculation! But I think that right blonde in the Bentley already zoomed right past me, she didn't even wave ... heck, I'd be lucky for a wrong brunette with a Greyhound bus ticket.


Thanks for the concern Scotty, but I didn't change anything ... Bandmix gremlins must have snuffed out my avatar when they rolled out the 'new look'.

"Another possible political prisoner"

.... naw, fortunately the "constitutional nutjobs" with the duct tape and .45 automatics haven't caught me (yet).

Don't worry Vinny - we'll get you eventually!

Talbot

Don't worry Vinny - we'll get you eventually!

Talbot

Probably so ... and in violation of the constitution of course.

But nutjobs never let the little details on some "goddamned piece of paper" get in the way of their objectives.

LOL@ VIN.


I always wonder just which of us will be walking after I read all these tired diatribes about politics.

Someone always gets pissed off enough to "go for a walk".

I couldn't help notice that last train wreck. (ecch)

(And now back to our regularly scheduled program) lol

Don't worry Scott - after the holocaust we'll all get along just fine.

We'll all be staggering around together, no politics, no economic issues, no racial problems - just that hunger that binds us all together! That hunger for nice, tasty brains. I wonder if smarter people taste better?

We’re dancing to the Zombie Apocalypse
We’re laughing and singing ‘till the end of it.
We’re hoping it’s all just a crock of sh*t.
We can kid ourselves, we can pretend…
But we’re dancing to the Zombie Apocalypse ‘till the very end!

Talbot