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You have no facts on your side so I was just ... "giving a good example of the dishonest way that people are personally attacked by those who don't have facts on their side."

Oh yes, I gave several facts and you responded with a picture of Joe McCarthey with no reference to why, like that was an answer, so I treated your attempt at ridicule with sarcasm...which apparently went over your head.

And it's not a personal attack on Obama, to quote a remark he made to cause racial division.

My post was a sarcastic reference inspired by debating people who seem, like ol' Joe, to not be able to recognize any distinction between communism and socialism.

Just like Ted Cruz talking about all the communist professors at Harvard ... "There were fewer declared Republicans in the faculty when we were there than Communists," Cruz said. "There was one Republican. But there were 12 who would say they were Marxists who believed in the Communists overthrowing the United States government."

So Yod, You imply, you mischaracterize, you humiliate, and ridicule....all emotional manipulation because the truth is too hard to deal with.

You have no facts on your side so I was just ... "giving a good example of the dishonest way that people are personally attacked by those who don't have facts on their side."

Oh yes, I gave several facts and you responded with a picture of Joe McCarthey with no reference to why, like that was an answer, so I treated your attempt at ridicule with sarcasm...which apparently went over your head.

And it's not a personal attack on Obama, to quote a remark he made to cause racial division.

My post was a sarcastic reference inspired by debating people who seem, like ol' Joe, to not be able to recognize any distinction between communism and socialism.

Just like Ted Cruz talking about all the communist professors at Harvard ... "There were fewer declared Republicans in the faculty when we were there than Communists," Cruz said. "There was one Republican. But there were 12 who would say they were Marxists who believed in the Communists overthrowing the United States government."

So Yod, You imply, you mischaracterize, you humiliate, and ridicule....all emotional manipulation because the truth is too hard to deal with.

What does Ted Cruz's pointing out the Communist ideology of Harvard professors have to do with anything I said? If you're referring to the "Progessive" being a euphemism for socialist/communist ideology it's not either/or....it's both. Only a matter of degree.

But it took 2 pages to get an explanation about what your picture was implying....that I was worthy of being humiliated by association...but you still haven't actually provided proof of anything.


Again, thanks for proving my point.

What does Ted Cruz's pointing out the Communist ideology of Harvard professors have to do with anything I said?

You will have to tell us Yod.
My post of Joe Mc was on page 6, 7th post ...

What does Ted Cruz's pointing out the Communist ideology of Harvard professors have to do with anything I said?

You will have to tell us Yod.
My post of Joe Mc was on page 6, 7th post ...

Now you're just being circumspect. Yes, you posted a picture without any comment that seemed to have the purpose of humiliation and ridicule...but it's rather vague. Without any explanation of why you revere Joe McCarthy so, I prodded for an answer of what you are trying to imply.

It's tough to figure out who your attempts at mischaracterizing and ridiculing would be aimed at, but it seems you are making fun of Ted Cruz's looks. Apparently that's your only tactic being devoid a meaningful intellectual response.


So again...you just keep proving my point. Thank you





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What does Ted Cruz's pointing out the Communist ideology of Harvard professors have to do with anything I said?

You will have to tell us Yod.
My post of Joe Mc was on page 6, 7th post ...

Now you're just being circumspect. Yes, you posted a picture without any comment that seemed to have the purpose of humiliation and ridicule...but it's rather vague. Without any explanation of why you revere Joe McCarthy so, I prodded for an answer of what you are trying to imply.

It's tough to figure out who your attempts at mischaracterizing and ridiculing would be aimed at, but it seems you are making fun of Ted Cruz's looks. Apparently that's your only tactic being devoid a meaningful intellectual response.


So again...you just keep proving my point. Thank you

Your post following mine, was very clear about who your ridiculing was aimed at, placing their quote out of context.

As for a likeness between Joe and Ted ...
that has been explored by many others.
Here is an article from that Communist publication ... Forbes:

Ted Cruz-The Reincarnation Of Joe McCarthy?

For a politician seeking power at any cost, there are few tricks in the handbook more effective than the employment of innuendo, false implication and guilt by association tricks that were once perfected to devastating effect by Joseph McCarthy, the Wisconsin senator who rose to extraordinary power through his mastery of these dark arts as he led the United States down the path to one of its darkest hours. McCarthy learned the value of the half-truth and innuendo early on in his career.

In his first political campaign for a seat as a circuit county judge, McCarthy published campaign literature falsely claiming that his opponent was 73, senile and guilty of financial corruption despite knowing that the gentleman was 66, in full control of his mental faculties and had never done anything that had so much as a whiff of corruption.

But it worked.

Indeed, it worked so well that during McCarthy's next campaign, which was a primary race for his party's nomination to run for the U.S. Senate, McCarthy perfected the science of dirty politics by moving away from the complete and total lie and into the more subtle art of innuendo and half-truths as he attacked his opponent, Robert La Follette, for not enlisting in the war effort during World War II.

McCarthy was technically correct, as La Follette was already 46 when Pearl Harbor was bombed and far too old to be accepted into the U.S. armed forces. McCarthy, of course, didn't bother to mention that detail and the misdirection took a toll. McCarthy would go on to allege that La Follette had made huge profits suggesting by implication that the man had been guilty of war profiteering while Joe was out there fighting the war. Again, it was true that La Follette had made money during the war, however it was certainly not from war profiteering but rather from a local radio station in which he had invested.

Again, McCarthy's low tactics worked as he eked out a narrow victory. La Follette went away from the race deeply injured by the attacks on his reputation that were believed by many despite being wholly untrue and eventually committed suicide.

McCarthy never looked back as the smear tactics employed during his campaigns would pale in comparison to what he would do when applying his despicable brand of politics to what we would come to know as McCarthyism' the use of the smear against fellow Americans whom he sought to paint as Communists, destroying the lives of innocents to further the fortunes of Joe McCarthy.

Another skilled practitioner of the half-truth and innuendo was Richard M. Nixon. And while a review of Nixon's proclivity for successfully employing the darkest side of politics as the means to win elections and defeat his political opponents is another story for another time, we all know where this approach to power led for Senator McCarthy and President Nixon" ran eventual ticket to disgrace and political demise.

Newly minted Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) would do well to learn the lessons of these predecessors as he embarks on his own public career, one he has apparently chosen to build using the dark political arts of innuendo and smear.

While watching the Senate confirmation hearings for Chuck Hagel last week, my attention was grabbed when I heard Senator Cruz note that he had witnessed something truly extraordinary, which is the government of Iran formally and publicly praising the nomination of a defense secretary. I would suggest to you that to my knowledge, that is unprecedented to see a foreign nation like Iran publicly celebrating a nomination.

While I found this bit of information to be shocking (I had not heard this reported from any other news source) and more than a little difficult to believe, I had to agree with Senator Cruz that such a statement of support would not only be unprecedented but more than a little disturbing if the Iranian government had, indeed, offered up such warm words of praise in support of Senator Hagel's nomination.

Yet, the Iranians never issued any such statement or, for that matter, even came close.

It turns out that during a press conference, a spokesperson for the Iranian Foreign Ministry was asked by a reporter what he thought about Chuck Hagel's views on Israel. In response, the spokesperson said, We hope there will be practical changes in American foreign policy and that Washington becomes respectful of the rights of nations.

Clearly, there was no rational basis for Senator Cruz to conclude that such a remark was an expression of public praise for the nomination of Chuck Hagel. So why would Cruz suggest such a thing?

The only possible explanation for Cruz's remarks would have to be that he either misheard or misunderstood the statement of the Iranian spokesperson or, in homage to Joe McCarthy, he purposely twisted the remark to cast an undeserved dark shadow on Senator Hagel.

To date, Senator Cruz has never come forward to say that, upon further review, he may have been mistaken about his interpretation of the Iranian spokesperson's remarks. Thus, the only remaining option is that is was a purposeful smear.

I don't know what to expect, Vinny . One minute you are bringing up valid points... The next you are going of spouting off points that are way off target.

You are very interesting. We know nothing about you.

Be careful now... I am starting to think you are just playing everyone.

If that's the case you win and that is pretty cool. What isn't, is that if I am wrong you are the biggest B.S. artist ever... Bigger than obama.

"Socialism is Communism sold by the drink." P.J. O'Rourke

Talbot

[b]Ted Cruz-The Reincarnation Of Joe McCarthy?

I will quote this article for my response: "there are few tricks in the handbook more effective than the employment of innuendo, false implication and guilt by association tricks"


I don't like defending a politician. Not one of them. But I will defend the truth. You can say that Cruz is too strident/abrasive and I will agree. You can say that his scorched earth policy of shutting down the government last fall was stupid, and I'll show you where I said as much on these very discussion boards. But to equate him with McCarthy is a dishonest stretch. Forbes is a blue-blood RINO and has not supported any Tea Party candidate that I can tell.

This article spent a few paragraphs talking about how McCarthy dishonestly employed innuendo, but then they did a really poor job of trying to imply Cruz uses the tactic and found ONE case where there MIGHT have been a misquote.

For the record, Chuck Hagel is famously anti-semitic and antagonistic towards Israel. Those who know his track record don't have to imply that Iran loved his appointment. How clearly it was actually stated in public is the only debate. By the way, Cruz got this story from CBS

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/ ... us-tehran/


But why go back to the 1950s looking for this kind of dishonesty when MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN (and some on FOX) do it every day right now? I listed multiple examples that are much more recent concerning Cruz, Bush, Palin, but you can add Romney or ANY conservative to the list of people who have been ridiculed, maligned, humiliated, mischaracterized, and lied about by the leftist media lapdogs of the DNC




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TED CRUZ is so far from a communist. He is not on a witch hunt

If we start a witch hunt for commie socialist's... We should start with planet jerk and move up to some one not as important... The POTUS... And then we can end with mitch mcconnell.

That's just to mention a few traitors to the CONSTITUTION!

But why go back to the 1950s looking for this kind of dishonesty when MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN (and some on FOX) do it every day right now? I listed multiple examples that are much more recent concerning Cruz, Bush, Palin, but you can add Romney or ANY conservative to the list of people who have been ridiculed, maligned, humiliated, mischaracterized, and lied about by the leftist media lapdogs of the DNC

It looks to me, but then I do not wear Tea-Party shades, to be a very bi-partisan phenomenon. If the puppet master shakes the left puppet now, he will shake the right puppet next.

Obama does as he is told because he knows if, and when, the signal is given, the MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and s FOX's will all be airing Larry Sinclair stories around the clock.

Candidates from from 3rd or 4th parties get the same on the occasion their campaigns might interfere with the "preferred" vetted candidate's.

But why go back to the 1950s looking for this kind of dishonesty when MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN (and some on FOX) do it every day right now? I listed multiple examples that are much more recent concerning Cruz, Bush, Palin, but you can add Romney or ANY conservative to the list of people who have been ridiculed, maligned, humiliated, mischaracterized, and lied about by the leftist media lapdogs of the DNC

It looks to me, but then I do not wear Tea-Party shades, to be a very bi-partisan phenomenon. If the puppet master shakes the left puppet now, he will shake the right puppet next.

Obama does as he is told because he knows if, and when, the signal is given, the MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and s FOX's will all be airing Larry Sinclair stories around the clock.

Candidates from from 3rd or 4th parties get the same on the occasion their campaigns might interfere with the "preferred" vetted candidate's.

Wow...thank you for that very thoughtful and informative post.

But why go back to the 1950s looking for this kind of dishonesty when MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN (and some on FOX) do it every day right now? I listed multiple examples that are much more recent concerning Cruz, Bush, Palin, but you can add Romney or ANY conservative to the list of people who have been ridiculed, maligned, humiliated, mischaracterized, and lied about by the leftist media lapdogs of the DNC

It looks to me, but then I do not wear Tea-Party shades, to be a very bi-partisan phenomenon. If the puppet master shakes the left puppet now, he will shake the right puppet next.

Obama does as he is told because he knows if, and when, the signal is given, the MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and s FOX's will all be airing Larry Sinclair stories around the clock.

Candidates from from 3rd or 4th parties get the same on the occasion their campaigns might interfere with the "preferred" vetted candidate's.

Wow...thank you for that very thoughtful and informative post.

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