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#212257 by jimmydanger
Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:10 pm
God told you? They have a pill for that.

#212392 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:06 am
Planetguy wrote:
Planetguy wrote:
abortion.....should it be made illiegal? yes? no?


GLENNY J wrote:Without reservation absolutely NOT! Not one thing in any of my posts stated anything about me "RAILING AGAINST ABORTION" Prove it.


i can't because if you say you've NEVER stated that....i believe you. i mistakenly thought you had expressed that opinion and that's on me. my mistake. my bad. i apologize for getting that wrong.



(don't write it and throw it into one of my quotes) I know that trick.


not my style, glen. i wouldn't do that.


That would go against one of the great gifts granted by a higher authority, the freedom of choice. That is were the word tolerance comes in. I am not willing or desire to enforce my personal views on you, or any one else, until THEY desire to enforce their personal views on others, or me.


fair enough. and there is NOTHING i consider hypocritical in your stance there.

That's were GUN CONTROL comes in... Guns in America are not for personal protection, home protection, or any other sort of personal protection you can think of. I am really not concerned with the biggest badass MO FO that could come along and kill me. I don't live my life in fear... Take my money if you need it that much. It's only money. Kill me... big deal,I'M DEAD. No concern.
:lol:

All these politicians understand one thing... They will never have complete domination over a population that is armed and protective of a constitution that was written by some very brilliant men. It is the framework of the greatest government that allowed RESPONSIBLE FREE MEN TO COEXIST...
Ever in the history of mankind!


yeah, where you and i differ is our view about politicians wanting domination, and control....only wanting to impose THEIR views and THEIR will on us so they can rob us of our freedoms.

are there some like that? sure. but it seems like you see those types as the rule whereas i see them as the exception.


Reminder...

We The People

We have all heard the term civil disobedience. It is a term used to describe any action that goes against the authority of the the powers granted to maintain a stable community. This is to mean a government granted the authority to prevent anarchy and chaos. This is essential to provide a stable environment where a community can prosper in relative safety.

However I would be inclined to point out a similar phrase, that must be understood as well. Governmental disobedience. This is the United States of America. This is a nation of free men and women that have chosen to allow a government under THEIR AUTHORITY... to surrender some of their choices for the greater good of the community. In other words some of us would rather drive on the left side of the road but instead we all agree to drive on the right. It helps to avoid chaos.

However at what point are we surrendering our authority to a government that is suddenly empowered by it's own will. At what point does a government overstep that fine line, and by the very belief that the power imbued is actually from the governments very own existence.

At that point we have opened the doors to something far worse than anarchy. We have opened the doors to tyranny and GOVERNMENTAL DISOBEDIENCE!

When our government at all levels, national, state , local, and even towns, start to make decisions without the true consent of the people... Usually the reasoning starts with... I was elected by the people because they trust my judgment in all the matters that I was elected for. That includes any reasoning that could influence my decisions... even if the outcome is different than the perceived values that got me elected in the first place.

The problem is that we have empowered a person. A person that is also another human being the same as every one that elected him. Prone to human frailties, anger, prejudice, pet projects, and loves. Prone to mistakes and prone to pride, greed and a long list of human qualities.

Once we have empowered this elected official it is then we must be very mindful of the very reason we have allowed a government to moderate our freedoms. A government is meant to arbitrate our petty differences for the good of the whole community. A government is meant to provide stable rules and laws. I use the word stable because every law throughout history usually has some stable basis or precedent. If laws where just changed overnight and on a continual basis, it would only lead to the very anarchy we are trying to avoid to begin with. All this law making must not be approached with just a casual attitude of the man empowered by the fact of his election. It must be approached with the gravity and tremendous responsibility allowed, If we are to maintain a free society.

Once this relationship between government and a free people is corrupted in any way or manner, the out cry should be overwhelming. At that point we have reached, the point of governmental disobedience. That is the point where the government is more important than the people and the power is no longer coming from the true authority. THE PEOPLE. WE THE PEOPLE.
Glen Johnston.

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