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#208569 by Kramerguy
Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:51 pm
sanshouheil wrote:He's dead . . .
How dead is he ?
Dead enough . . .


He left behind a legacy and an ideal. You can't kill an ideal.

#208572 by Starfish Scott
Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:55 pm
Is he a martyr, I wonder>?

#208573 by gbheil
Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:58 pm
Kramerguy wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:He's dead . . .
How dead is he ?
Dead enough . . .


He left behind a legacy and an ideal. You can't kill an ideal.


So will Charlie Manson . . .

#208580 by Kramerguy
Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:25 pm
Sans, clearly you see him as the bad guy.. but why? Because someone told you to? Don't let me tell you he's not, but for your own sake go read about the good and he's done, and then weigh it against what you've been told to believe.

#208583 by Starfish Scott
Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:31 pm
Yup-yup seconded.

The media lies.

If you want to know the truth about anything these days, it bears some research and a little introspection.

#208585 by Mike Nobody
Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:07 pm
Chief Engineer Scott wrote:Yup-yup seconded.

The media lies.

If you want to know the truth about anything these days, it bears some research and a little introspection.


"Don't just question "authority"....QUESTION EVERYTHING." - Jello Biafra

#210508 by Mike Nobody
Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:12 pm
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#210611 by Cajundaddy
Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:28 pm
Kramerguy wrote:Sans, clearly you see him as the bad guy.. but why? Because someone told you to? Don't let me tell you he's not, but for your own sake go read about the good and he's done, and then weigh it against what you've been told to believe.


The Hugo Chavez story is a complex one filled with shades of grey. He will be seen by some as a hero of the poor and by some as the enemy of freedom. The truth probably is a little of both. He did move poverty levels from 60% of the population to 30% of the population... still double the rate in the US. It can also be said that anyone could have accomplished this with any economic or political system given the abject levels of poverty under the former corrupt dictator. All that was required was the will to get it done and he saw that lifting up the poorest of the poor would improve his country... and win votes.

The dark side is that his methods seriously damaged the golden goose in Venezuela (oil production). It has been falling since 2002 due to terrible mismanagement and deferred maintenance and re-investment. Another 10 years on the same path would have likely wiped out the oil industry there and ended the income stream needed for his social programs. Companies burned by Chavez will forever be wary of investing in Venezuelan oil and the long term effects of this will be felt by the Venezuelan people for generations.

Add-in crushing 30% inflation and one of the highest murder rates on earth and his legacy looks less rosy. While being one of the richest oil nations in the world, GDPPP was only 30% of US citizens. Better than under the former corrupt dictatorship but a long long way from "hero of the people" status in my book.

Yep, doing one's own homework is always better than parroting some politically motivated media source like Fox or Huffpo.

YMMV
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#210714 by MikeTalbot
Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:13 am
MikeN

what Sarah Palin did in Alaska was took that money out of the hands of party big shots and distributed it among the actual people. Not sure I see that as socialism - truly not sure.

But anything that makes party hacks howl is fine with me!

Talbot

#210759 by Starfish Scott
Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:29 pm
I watched that thing about her hunting wolves from helicopter and that fing pissed me off so bad I wanted to hunt her from helicopter with a ar-15 and a starlight scope.

You wanna play games with the wildlife, lady?

Let's see how you like it and how long you can last.

Hunting anything via helicopter with a giant scope is heartless and EASY thing to do.

If you have to be an asshole, why not get down on the ground and track it and give it a sporting chance to get away.


For her next trick she'll hunt wildlife from an orbital space platform using a laser that could destroy a tank and after she kills something, she'll just leave it there, laugh and talk sh*t about what a good shot she is.

Makes me want to punch her right in her stupid face...

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