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#206023 by DainNobody
Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:55 pm
Grant, since you are in your cringe state, for the next couple days, I guess now is a good time to verbally attack you since you won't feel like fighting back for at least 2 to 3 days? just kidding.. :lol:

#206030 by GuitarMikeB
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:39 pm
PaperDog wrote:Check...This is the tricky part. Mike and myself were very well rehearsed with our three songs...The problems began when the lead player (also rehearsed) couldn't show up... From there, it went south...


These are the new guys you are playing with, right? Got to give the lead player one 'mulligan', sh*t happens, but he better show up next time!

Definitely need to have 'plan B' and 'plan C' ready, just in case.
Equipment issue - as soon as you realized guitar was messing up, you should have tried to find one to borrow.
Just you and the bass player - change songs to a couple for just the two of you. Getting guys unfamiliar with your songs to 'fill in' is going to be mediocre at best, unless they are Really Good.
At the last couple of open mics, I've seen a few people get together unrehearsed to do some songs and they were *rough* to say the least - and just simple I-IV-V blues-rock songs.
But, as has already been said, most of the audience didnt't even notice. Other musicians listening might, but will seldom say anything, unless asked. The mistakes are always more noticeable to the musician making them. The best musicians play through the problems and don't look back.

#206032 by PaperDog
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:49 pm
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:Grant, since you are in your cringe state, for the next couple days, I guess now is a good time to verbally attack you since you won't feel like fighting back for at least 2 to 3 days? just kidding.. :lol:


Attack away... I'll just lay here like road kill...;)

#206033 by DainNobody
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:00 pm
PaperDog wrote:
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:Grant, since you are in your cringe state, for the next couple days, I guess now is a good time to verbally attack you since you won't feel like fighting back for at least 2 to 3 days? just kidding.. :lol:


Attack away... I'll just lay here like road kill...;)
I would not beat yourself up at all.. don't let it effect you, and just chalk it up to something that "was out of your control" you were not the cause of the problem, it was the player that did not show up..

#206034 by PaperDog
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:01 pm
GuitarMikeB wrote:
PaperDog wrote:Check...This is the tricky part. Mike and myself were very well rehearsed with our three songs...The problems began when the lead player (also rehearsed) couldn't show up... From there, it went south...


These are the new guys you are playing with, right? Got to give the lead player one 'mulligan', sh*t happens, but he better show up next time!

Definitely need to have 'plan B' and 'plan C' ready, just in case.
Equipment issue - as soon as you realized guitar was messing up, you should have tried to find one to borrow.
Just you and the bass player - change songs to a couple for just the two of you. Getting guys unfamiliar with your songs to 'fill in' is going to be mediocre at best, unless they are Really Good.
At the last couple of open mics, I've seen a few people get together unrehearsed to do some songs and they were *rough* to say the least - and just simple I-IV-V blues-rock songs.
But, as has already been said, most of the audience didnt't even notice. Other musicians listening might, but will seldom say anything, unless asked. The mistakes are always more noticeable to the musician making them. The best musicians play through the problems and don't look back.


The Mulligan is absolutely no issue. He's a great guy. Its not that he didn't show, (we already suspected since he had some urgent family affairs to attend) Its not even about him... Its that I failed to recognize that without all members, we really shouldn't attempt a 'set list' that was geared for determined performance.

Its me being pissed at myself cause I simply should have bowed out, (or jump in with a plan B, which I actually had)

I have this self imposed rule about being prepared... My instincts warned me , and I broke my own rules ... and the bottom line s is that's what pissed me off.
People were coming up (other musicians) and saying 'good job' and i was saying...Are you fkn kidding? ...We sucked..I sucked! It was terrible!" They looked astonished...I don't think they ever seen anybody that hard on themselves...

This reminds me of why I didnt do music for a career.. sheeit...all the drama that's welling up...

#206037 by jw123
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:25 pm
Paper we are all hardest on our selves, I can remember many nights where I thought i was sucking all over the place, and one of the guys in the band would say afterwards, you sounded great or some musician that I knew in the audience, thats the thing to me on original music, you cna just say I meant to skip a beat in there, just wanted to try it out live and see if it worked or not.

Most audiences dont really hear all the mess ups, not like you do when your playing.

Dont worry about it man

#206042 by Planetguy
Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:10 pm
jw123 wrote:Paper we are all hardest on our selves, I can remember many nights where I thought i was sucking all over the place, and one of the guys in the band would say afterwards, you sounded great or some musician that I knew in the audience, thats the thing to me on original music, you cna just say I meant to skip a beat in there, just wanted to try it out live and see if it worked or not.

Most audiences dont really hear all the mess ups, not like you do when your playing.

Dont worry about it man


true dat.

when i first started playing vibes out in public i was never too happy w my playing (still often the case) but i remember one night after our first set the wife of the gtrst came up and complimented me. i was not having a good night and said something to her along the lines of "nah, i'm stinking it up all over the place". she dressed me down pretty good and told me....."when someone gives you a compliment the correct and proper response is 'thank you very much' ".

good advice. and to this day i try to adhere to that. after all, we know when we're stinking it up...but if someone compliments us and we don't receive the compliment gracefully it's kinda like we're calling their credibilty and listening skills into question.

#206045 by gbheil
Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:55 pm
Still better than sitting at home watching TV.

#206061 by PaperDog
Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:01 am
Thanks to all of ya for the moral support and great advice. You guys all rock...and that's what makes BM so damn kewl! :)

Its stuff like this that makes me proud to be part of music :)

#206277 by GuitarMikeB
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:39 pm
Open Mic I went to last night was a full house. Being a Friday night, everyone playing brought a few people PLUS there were 20-30 linemen (electric company) up from Pennsylvania staying at the hotel in preparation for tonight's storm (which may not be as bad as originally forecast, here anyway).
Taking the advice, I stuck to 3 songs I KNOW, didn't f*ck around with them, and did pretty good. There were a few *living room* player guys early, and everyone was playing acoustics except for 1 trio that had a guy on cajon and and a guy with a beautiful Taylor semi-hollow body guitar.
If I do this OM again next week, I may do it on uke to break up the guitar monotony.

#206285 by Starfish Scott
Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:08 pm
Paper, over and over again I get kids who want to go berserk when they miss a shot or a lay up.

"Don't waste your time thinking about the things you do wrong".
"If you want to cringe, do it afterwards and get it out of your system".

Never waste your time or energy on that which you cannot control.

I have a bible that I use for coaching b-ball...it covers this type of thing.

"Mental Toughness Training For Sports" by James E. Loehr. Ed.D

One of the best books I ever read (and teach from).

#206378 by PaperDog
Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:57 am
Chief Engineer Scott wrote:Paper, over and over again I get kids who want to go berserk when they miss a shot or a lay up.

"Don't waste your time thinking about the things you do wrong".
"If you want to cringe, do it afterwards and get it out of your system".

Never waste your time or energy on that which you cannot control.

I have a bible that I use for coaching b-ball...it covers this type of thing.

"Mental Toughness Training For Sports" by James E. Loehr. Ed.D

One of the best books I ever read (and teach from).


Thanks Scotty! Truthfully, I go through my hissy fit and then I get in the saddle again... (Albeit,I curse the universe on the way down and again when i brush the dust off) . I do agree, that its fruitless to lose cool when the sh*t hits a fan...

#206708 by gtZip
Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:23 pm
Planetguy wrote:not sure why, but this put me in mind of an audition i'd gone on yrs ago in nyc. one of the big movie companies was looking for a band to use in an upcoming flick. they wanted the group to actually be playing and doing original music.

total cattle call w many, many groups there. the group i was playing w at the time got to the final round and all the groups... maybe about a hundred or so musicians are sitting on the floor waiting their turn while ea group goes up to perform one song.

we go up and didn't exactly knock it outta the park. we were ok but nothing special. i get off the stage and these two guys come over..."hey, great bass playing man! our bass player didn't show, would you help us out and play with us when it's our turn?" they tell me they have a chord chart that i can follow along with. sure, i'll get up there and play some tune i've never heard before in a room full of a hundred or so other musicians.

so, two or three bands go on and then it's their turn. the gtrst hands me this chart....not very clearly written w a gazillion chords, key changes, and several sections. i look at him and say "you're kidding, right?" "no, man...it's real straight ahead. you'll hear it".

so being a confident 21 yr old w big cajones i get up there on stage and the drummer counts off their fusion tune at a really fast tempo. i'm sweating bullets but actually hanging in there and feeling like hey, i can do this. and then the gtrst stops playing rhythm and starts soloing. it's all on me to represent these chord changes that make little sense. we finally finish and i know i didn't nail it but i'm feeling pretty good about how well i WAS able to hang.

applause from the room, a few people compliment me on having the stones to get up there and say some nice things about my playing. neither one of the guys i helped out thanked me. i think maybe the drummer kinda nodded at me as we left the stage. i went over to collect my girlfriend from where she was sitting and i see and hear the two guys hashing over our performance. one of 'em said to the other ....."well we did the best we could being stuck w that guy. too bad he couldn't read a chart". they left before i had a chance to go over and have words w them...probably a good thing.

oh, the other thing i remember, after this went down there was a guy who was admiring my old '63 P bass. he said "wow, cool bass! can i see it?" like a total asswipe i lifted the bass in his direction and snarled "here, now you see it" before putting it in it's case. :oops: :oops:


At least you could go by a chart.
Few or any of us here can do the chart thing - you and other non rock centric peeps can.
I could do basic charts under low pressure, but I don't have the experience to be jumping in a Nashville session, or whatever it may be. (Or the chops)

Sure, I bag on jazz because I'm personally not fond of it, and my main musical compadre in my youth was a hotshot muso that got into jazz - HOWEVER, I have the utmost respect for the jazz musician.

#206717 by MikeTalbot
Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:52 am
Playing poorly, or perceiving one self as playing poorly, in front of people is a terrible blow. I'm sure we've all experienced it.

I taped two prac sessions last week. Sound passible on one, the other sounded like a lugubrious drunken call for assisted suicide. Sadly, the good one didn't please me as much as the bad one displeased me.

I think that is typical among motivated players - you are feeling bad because you are a motivated player. That's a good thing.

I knew a guitar player who worked small rooms in Maryland. If he or the band made a mistake (which they did a lot) he would step on a rubber duck. Quack! Pretty cute eh? I stole his drummer who was truly mortified by that.

Funny thing was, lot of people liked that guitar player. But I never met a single musician who respected him.

Talbot

#206740 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:50 am
My experience is that most people are too busy with other things to notice me making a mistake. Of the ones who notice, most of them don't really care.

It's not like you are any less of a musician because you made a mistake. Not the first time or two anyway....

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