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It's the sum of the parts and NEVER the individual.

If a muso can't grasp that, they are doomed to fail miserably.

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I'm having similar problems in my search from a more general standpoint. For example, I'll put up a request for a buddy who also enjoys pop and soft rock music (listing some specific artists) who also plays keyboard, and I'll usually reach someone who is too far ahead in his music career. In other words, someone who has already put together an official music business, and/or a band, rather than someone who's going to college and just happens to play music in his room, and maybe has one or two covers up on YouTube.

Cliff, did you ever consider just trying to find someone that is playing something melodic and go with it?

When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

I'll go out and play with people even if I don't like the music especially, I just have to have some sort of recognition that the music in general is based in a melodic fashion.

The minute it becomes a half step/chromatic race to creepy time signatures originally conceived on the 7th plane of Hell ( cold ), I turn off like a blown light bulb.

My hat's off to people that can play everything, I can't do it.
If the music sounds like it's a stretch to call it music, I can't be bothered.
But as for the preferred genre? Not happening.
Can you find something that's not an exact fit but semi-pleasing to one's own delicate ear? ABSOLUTELY..

"Keep an eye peeled for survivors on this ocean of wreckage we call life, a boat that you can catch a ride back to dry land on will be along here shortly"... (was that a fog horn?)

Cliff, did you ever consider just trying to find someone that is playing something melodic and go with it?
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

I'll go out and play with people even if I don't like the music especially, I just have to have some sort of recognition that the music in general is based in a melodic fashion.

The minute it becomes a half step/chromatic race to creepy time signatures originally conceived on the 7th plane of Hell ( cold ), I turn off like a blown light bulb.

My hat's off to people that can play everything, I can't do it.
If the music sounds like it's a stretch to call it music, I can't be bothered.
But as for the preferred genre? Not happening.
Can you find something that's not an exact fit but semi-pleasing to one's own delicate ear? ABSOLUTELY..

"Keep an eye peeled for survivors on this ocean of wreckage we call life, a boat that you can catch a ride back to dry land on will be along here shortly"... (was that a fog horn?)

Yeah, those individuals didn't work out and I had to let them go.

But you aren't in a position to call the shots.

Very few of us ever will be. Even now I play along because that's an means to an end.

Would you rather play nothing at all, Cliff? Cause that's where you are headed...

But you aren't in a position to call the shots.

Very few of us ever will be. Even now I play along because that's an means to an end.

Would you rather play nothing at all, Cliff? Cause that's where you are headed...

Look, sir, I don't want to play with just anybody. However, I am willing to play some songs for these individuals and form NETWORKING cirlces with these individuals you want me to play with so badly. However, I will NOT actually want to play with these guys. This search has always been about playing music with that special individual who has a passion for more of the artists and songs I enjoy, and who enjoys a wide variety of good music, which can include some additional music of his own, as well as most of the artists I enjoy. I am tired of running into the typical guys who only enjoy alternative rock or indie rock and who hate pop and soft rock.

And again, here are some of the main problems in finding these guys:

1. Not having enough places to post requests and get the word out.
2. Not having the ability to talk with my audience at the given place where I'm posting my ad (whether it's online or at a physical place) to find out whether the audience I'm seeking is popular or not. For example, as the name suggests, Guitar Center is more popular with guitar players, not so much keyboard players. And most people that frequent Guitar Center are into heavy metal, and full blown rock and on top of that, most want to form full blown rock bands.
3. Not having access to a young guys' pop and soft rock musician's club.

Also keep in mind that networking with individuals who don't play music, but who know some guys around my age who do play the keyboard, and enjoy good quality pop and soft rock music would benefit me as well.

Lately, everytime I try to network with someone, that person ends up being a dead end due to his friends NOT being in the right age group, or not being into the right kind of music, or not having enough friends to form reliable networking circles.

And also as stated before, I've had to turn down individuals due to them living in a part of Baton Rouge or Louisiana that made it kind of a hassle to drive to my place, rather than reaching someone who lived close by.

Also a lot of people are not well-edcuated in the terms legally blind or visually impaired and so pass my ad on by. This as well as my music tastes explains why some people contacted me initially, and showed an interest in playing with me, stated that they were late for work, or school, and promised to get back to me, but never called me back. Sometimes I would call this given individual back only for the phone to ring, and then switch over to voice mail, or I would learn it was all a sick joke, or the guy would initially pick up the phone, and then hang up on me after I introduced myself, or I would learn they used a friend's phone, thus I didn't contact the same guy who contacted me before. Why didn't these particular individuals have the guts to actually tell me why they changed their mind? These guys couldv'e very well been the individuals I was looking for, or at least couldv'e become general friends with them, and formed networking cirlces with them?

So, in short help me correct these problem, while still keeping my search within Baton Rouge.

lol (covering my black eye)

Ouch he called me "sir"...

Cliff I would seriously consider playing with anyone that will play with you.
Your idea, albeit a nice sounding plan, is very limited with a very low chance of success.

We wish you luck though..

lol (covering my black eye)

Ouch he called me "sir"...

Cliff I would seriously consider playing with anyone that will play with you.Your idea, albeit a nice sounding plan, is very limited with a very low chance of success.

We wish you luck though..

Well, your goals are probably different from mine. I don't know what that could be, but my goal has always been about simply hanging out with some general friends who don't play music, and having a few music buddies on the side who enjoy playing more of the music I enjoy and who teach each other new skills as friends.

Help me learn how to more effectively reach my target audience: the middle ground musicians rather than the extremes my ads have been reaching. In other words, my ad either reaches someone who is already involved with other music projects like playing in a gigging band, or it reaches someone who is still learning the basics and who hasn't even learned any of the songs I'm working on.

lol (covering my black eye)

Ouch he called me "sir"...

Cliff I would seriously consider playing with anyone that will play with you.Your idea, albeit a nice sounding plan, is very limited with a very low chance of success.

We wish you luck though..

Well, your goals are probably different from mine. I don't know what that could be, but my goal has always been about simply hanging out with some general friends who don't play music, and having a few music buddies on the side who enjoy playing more of the music I enjoy and who teach each other new skills as friends.

Help me learn how to more effectively reach my target audience: the middle ground musicians rather than the extremes my ads have been reaching. In other words, my ad either reaches someone who is already involved with other music projects like playing in a gigging band, or it reaches someone who is still learning the basics and who hasn't even learned any of the songs I'm working on.

You say you have tryed everything.

Have you hung a sign around your neck and stood on a street corner?

lol (covering my black eye)

Ouch he called me "sir"...

Cliff I would seriously consider playing with anyone that will play with you.Your idea, albeit a nice sounding plan, is very limited with a very low chance of success.

We wish you luck though..

Well, your goals are probably different from mine. I don't know what that could be, but my goal has always been about simply hanging out with some general friends who don't play music, and having a few music buddies on the side who enjoy playing more of the music I enjoy and who teach each other new skills as friends.

Help me learn how to more effectively reach my target audience: the middle ground musicians rather than the extremes my ads have been reaching. In other words, my ad either reaches someone who is already involved with other music projects like playing in a gigging band, or it reaches someone who is still learning the basics and who hasn't even learned any of the songs I'm working on.

You say you have tryed everything.

Have you hung a sign around your neck and stood on a street corner?

Use a little common sense with before you post. Think about how less effective that would be as opposed to being more effective. Also think about how a lot of people use that as a way to scam people.

Please, review the suggestions I gave above, and try to help me learn about some new things.

Be cool when trying to help as well. Defineely review the suggestions I give on how to help me better, like the aforementioned music stores, and music teachers. I need a wider array of tools to use. That's my problem. I'm stuck posting the ad at ONE partiuclar place without being able to mingle with people around my age who share my passion for good pop and soft rock music.

You should know better than to post something like that. Use a little common sense with that. Think about how less effective that would be as opposed to being more effective. Also think about how a lot of people use that to rip people off.


Why do people here keep ignoring the hints on how to effectively help me with my problem, and instead come back with some kind of sarcastic remark, or recommend something stupid?

Because the a-holes usually drive the good people away here.

You should know better than to post something like that. Use a little common sense with that. Think about how less effective that would be as opposed to being more effective. Also think about how a lot of people use that to rip people off.


Why do people here keep ignoring the hints on how to effectively help me with my problem, and instead come back with some kind of sarcastic remark, or recommend something stupid?

Because the a-holes usually drive the good people away here.

Are you one of the former or the latter? Also online, why do the good people more likely come off as assholes, and the assholes initially come off as good people?

Take me for example. I am just your average 29 year old guy who happens to play keyboard as a hobby, and loves pop and soft rock music and is trying to discover some better ways to reach his target audience: a keyboard player who also enjoys pop and soft rock music, but who isn't an active community musician, but possibly has a little home recording stuido in his bedroom.

You should know better than to post something like that. Use a little common sense with that. Think about how less effective that would be as opposed to being more effective. Also think about how a lot of people use that to rip people off.


Why do people here keep ignoring the hints on how to effectively help me with my problem, and instead come back with some kind of sarcastic remark, or recommend something stupid?

Because the a-holes usually drive the good people away here.

Are you one of the former or the latter? Also online, why do the good people more likely come off as assholes, and the assholes initially come off as good people?

Take me for example. I am just your average 29 year old guy who happens to play keyboard as a hobby, and loves pop and soft rock music and is trying to discover some better ways to reach his target audience: a keyboard player who also enjoys pop and soft rock music, but who isn't an active community musician, but possibly has a little home recording stuido in his bedroom.

If you have to ask me, then you'll probably never know.

As for your query about finding musicians, Bandmix kinda blows.
It's a really good place to set up a page and have your stuff, tell a little about yourself, maybe chat in the forum, etc.
But, it doesn't bring in much traffic.
Not DIRECTLY anyway.
I'd recommend using Craigslist to lure in the curious, bring 'em here, and show 'em what you've got.
You might have a lot of flakes, crazies, and losers to deal with.
But, that just goes with the territory, with more of ANY people being around ANYWHERE.

You should know better than to post something like that. Use a little common sense with that. Think about how less effective that would be as opposed to being more effective. Also think about how a lot of people use that to rip people off.


Why do people here keep ignoring the hints on how to effectively help me with my problem, and instead come back with some kind of sarcastic remark, or recommend something stupid?

Because the a-holes usually drive the good people away here.

Are you one of the former or the latter? Also online, why do the good people more likely come off as assholes, and the assholes initially come off as good people?

Take me for example. I am just your average 29 year old guy who happens to play keyboard as a hobby, and loves pop and soft rock music and is trying to discover some better ways to reach his target audience: a keyboard player who also enjoys pop and soft rock music, but who isn't an active community musician, but possibly has a little home recording stuido in his bedroom.

If you have to ask me, then you'll probably never know.

As for your query about finding musicians, Bandmix kinda blows.
It's a really good place to set up a page and have your stuff, tell a little about yourself, maybe chat in the forum, etc.
But, it doesn't bring in much traffic.
Not DIRECTLY anyway.
I'd recommend using Craigslist to lure in the curious, bring 'em here, and show 'em what you've got.
You might have a lot of flakes, crazies, and losers to deal with.
But, that just goes with the territory, with more of ANY people being around ANYWHERE.

Well, I used Craigslist starting around 2007 and well, wore out my welcome on that site, and got banned from it in 2011, so that also stopped being an effective place to search? It initially showed promise, but as with any other method, it still kept reaching career minded musicians.

Also I would not reccommend using Craigslist especially if you are just a guy looking for a friend. A lot of the musicians in my area on that site are TOO serious about putting a band together or looking for gigs, and most are into heavy metal, and hard rock, and indie rock and are ONLY in it to make money.

Any better ideas, Mike Nobody?