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#202952 by JJ Plasencio
Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:46 pm
Do you guys think there is a difference in these two approaches? On your musical goals or quest? Is it possible to achieve both?


#202955 by Planetguy
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:00 pm
probably depends on your definition of those terms.

imo there's no such thing as "perfection" when it comes to art. there's nothing wrong w striving to acheive "perfection"... as long as you don't have unrealistic expectations of ever achieving it.

excellence on the other hand is ALWAYS something to be strived for.

both terms are highly subjective and in the eyes and ears of the beholder.

#202958 by GuitarMikeB
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:06 pm
"Progress, not perfection"

#202960 by Mike Nobody
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:08 pm
Perfection has always gotten in the way of achieving excellence, for me.
Sometimes you gotta know when to say, "F*CK IT" and just go get the job done or it will never get done at all.
Being a perfectionist has its downside.
#202993 by PaperDog
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:36 pm
JJ Plasencio wrote:Do you guys think there is a difference in these two approaches? On your musical goals or quest? Is it possible to achieve both?


Excellence: usually comes with specialization, mastery of a discipline and to excel in an endeavor

Perfection: Beyond Excellence in all endeavors; Beginning at Alpha and ending with Omega.

Strive for excellence. You'll never be perfect...

#202995 by Cajundaddy
Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:14 pm
To seek perfection is a trap. Excellence is... excellent!

#203123 by JJ Plasencio
Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:53 pm
I agree I believe we can achieve excellence (in our opinion) but perfection is God's alone.

#210984 by MScott
Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:17 pm
I love this subject. Perfection - to me - would be achieved when every nuance in a written piece is perfectly re-created. The element which will never reflect perfection is the insertion of human motion and emotion.

In my experience, near-perfect-excellence is achieved when an improvised passage falls in place because the souls of all participants (performers and observers) are deeply connected in an unpredictable manner.

In all that, I am perfectly flawed, which is excellent!

#210992 by Slacker G
Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:11 pm
Nothing wrong with having both. On a good day strive for perfection, on a lesser day settle for excellence.

#210994 by KLUGMO
Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:46 pm
I knew a girl once that had a perfect ass yet her personality was
the bride of Frankenstein. So I guess it matters how much perfection
you are looking for too.

She was as perfect as I needed her to be. :D [/b]

#211008 by fisherman bob
Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:13 pm
I believe you're all missing the point. YOUR opinion doesn't count. Your audience's opinion DOES count. What's perfect or excellent to YOU doesn't matter, remember that.

#211010 by Kramerguy
Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:22 pm
I'm an excellentist, but am often accused of being a perfectionist.

However, a quick play on words....
you can write a GREAT song, and then make an imperfect recording of it..

Not that the recording needs to be perfect, but that play on words suggests such. Bottom line is that short of excellence, the song can very well suck and fail simply because of it not being excellent, but imperfection is still the applied term.

In the end it doesn't matter. If you ever aren't happy with something and you release it anyways, you will ultimately regret it, or you just didn't care enough about it for it to matter.

I've released less than excellent music, and will NEVER do it again. I'd rather piss off the producer, engineer, and everyone in the band than to embarrass myself again.

And on another note- If the studio guys keep trying to tell you it's good enough when you know it's not... fire them, pay them, TYVM, and take your masters elsewhere. They should work with you, not talk you into leaving unhappy, or being happy with something you are not.

#211022 by DainNobody
Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:45 pm
all depends on how much money you want to throw at it..and if you believe there will be a paying audience for your material.. I would think 5,000 units would suffice to go the extra mile for perfection, if it is used to get live gigs with as a demo then excellent works or even good will work..

#211033 by PaperDog
Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:08 am
There was this guy who had sought the perfect woman. One day...He Found her! Unfortunately, she was searching for the perfect man...


#211055 by Planetguy
Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:30 pm
no such thing as "perfection"....EVERYTHING can always be improved upon.

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