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#196551 by Mike Nobody
Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:36 pm
Prevost82 wrote:Many of you are to young to remember the time before vaccines and the devastation polio and other crippling diseases cause to many families .. I grew up in the 50's and 3 kids on my block got polio before we started getting vaccinations .. it was not a pretty picture.

I know you have a dog to fight in this Kramer ... but there really is no scientific proof that vaccines cause austism .. and the alternative would put us back to the 1900's


I was wondering how long before someone would remember polio.

On average, I think vaccination has done a lot of good.
But, there's always the problem of unintended consequences.
Really, I do not understand why certain chemicals are used to preserve vaccines.
I'd have thought refrigeration and sealed containers would be enough.
But, I'm neither a chemist or doctor.
So, I don't understand the details.
But, I'm guessing that these problems have been taken into consideration.
Do you want massive outbreaks of polio and other diseases, or do you think you can live with some of the side effects?
I think eventually they decided we could live with the side effects...for awhile anyway.
Bad call or not, I think that makes more plausible sense than an insidious plot to give everybody autism.

Now, population control is another story.
I think there are plans by the elite to thin out Earth's population.
The rate of population growth is not sustainable by the planet at all.
We're living beyond Earth's means already as it is.
How this is being done is largely speculative.
But, I believe that a few leaked documents have come out...and it's not pretty.
I think vaccination is the LEAST of our problems. :shock:
#196552 by Vampier
Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:38 pm
....I was born in 1952 ... I had polio when I was 9 yrs. old...both my legs were paralyzed for over a year ... I never recieved a vaccination ... I was quite fortunate.

Prevost ...Kramer has no dog in the fight ... he has a child ... so do you not think he has done far more research than either you or I on the subject ? There is plenty of evidence, stats and studies all supported by fact... dramatic rising of incidence ... that increasingly show that vaccines laced with SLOW KILL are responsible. This has been going on for years ... it is bigtime in Afrika.

The environment, vaccines, water and food supply and air is so laced purposefully with SLOW KILL now that there is "No Alternative".

Of course Big Pharma denies ... governments and political filth deny and those dumbed down or asleep or who think everything is as it always was ...deny.

DENIAL IS DEATH Live Well Die Well

#196555 by Cajundaddy
Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:51 pm
Prevost82 wrote:Many of you are to young to remember the time before vaccines and the devastation polio and other crippling diseases cause to many families .. I grew up in the 50's and 3 kids on my block got polio before we started getting vaccinations .. it was not a pretty picture.

I know you have a dog to fight in this Kramer ... but there really is no scientific proof that vaccines cause austism .. and the alternative would put us back to the 1900's


+1
I have seen cases of whooping cough, polio, and measles and I am certain that abandoning vaccines would result in the tragic deaths of millions. Now is a time to use our heads and act wisely and cautiously. Allow science to work.

My personal belief is that plastic packaging (water and soft drink bottles) and processed foods are a more likely cause because the rise in autism more closely matches the use of these than the rise in vaccines. In the 50s-60s everyone got vaccines but processed foods and single serving bottled water didn't really get going until much later. All speculation of course with no scientific evidence. Just a correlation over time.

Clearly there is a rising epidemic of autism cases but before we form lynch mobs and hang scientists without a trial we need to find a clear scientific causal link between vaccines and autism. Currently we only have emotional rhetoric and no evidence. There may indeed be a multi-vaccine interaction issue but it is as yet undetected. The CDC must answer this question if they are to maintain the trust of the American people.

#196591 by PaperDog
Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:28 pm
Now, population control is another story.
I think there are plans by the elite to thin out Earth's population.
The rate of population growth is not sustainable by the planet at all.
We're living beyond Earth's means already as it is.
How this is being done is largely speculative.
But, I believe that a few leaked documents have come out...and it's not pretty.
I think vaccination is the LEAST of our problems.


Being rich means nothing if you kill off all the people that serve you...and make you rich...

#196593 by Mike Nobody
Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:31 pm
PaperDog wrote:
Now, population control is another story.
I think there are plans by the elite to thin out Earth's population.
The rate of population growth is not sustainable by the planet at all.
We're living beyond Earth's means already as it is.
How this is being done is largely speculative.
But, I believe that a few leaked documents have come out...and it's not pretty.
I think vaccination is the LEAST of our problems.


Being rich means nothing if you kill off all the people that serve you...and make you rich...


I think that was the missing ending to Atlas Shrugged.

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#196599 by VinnyViolin
Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:05 am
Mike Nobody wrote:
PaperDog wrote:
Now, population control is another story.
I think there are plans by the elite to thin out Earth's population.
The rate of population growth is not sustainable by the planet at all.
We're living beyond Earth's means already as it is.
How this is being done is largely speculative.
But, I believe that a few leaked documents have come out...and it's not pretty.
I think vaccination is the LEAST of our problems.


Being rich means nothing if you kill off all the people that serve you...and make you rich...


I think that was the missing ending to Atlas Shrugged.

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That was back then ... http://youtu.be/N_m56irWKeI

#197609 by Kramerguy
Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:26 pm
Thejohnny7band wrote:Clearly there is a rising epidemic of autism cases but before we form lynch mobs and hang scientists without a trial we need to find a clear scientific causal link between vaccines and autism. Currently we only have emotional rhetoric and no evidence. There may indeed be a multi-vaccine interaction issue but it is as yet undetected. The CDC must answer this question if they are to maintain the trust of the American people.


That's the rub though. The 'science' behind the current studies is questionable because they studies had been funded by the very people who are accused of hiding the truth. So far, only two independent studies have been done and both concluded that vaccines have a direct link to autism, and both allow for the environment to also play a role- which makes sense: Let's say mercury causes autism (for the sake of this argument), well, mercury is in the air, water, some foods, and vaccines. To say vaccines cause autism is really only half-true in that case.

But a child who didn't get vaccinated can see be environmentally afflicted.

Of those two independent studies, both were systematically assassinated in the press, with the press reaction measuring more reactionary than factual, but when has the lack of facts ever stopped the press?

What should be telling is that the government refuses to fund, adopt, or even acknowledge any concept of an independent study. So far we have the CDC and DHHS releasing "statements" and "reports" that THEIR research shows that vaccines are safe. Not just that they don't cause autism, but that they cause anything.

If that's the case, then why has the government been settling cases for autism related vaccine injuries? Why won't they do a PUBLIC study?

Sometimes the truth hides in the LACK of information.

It deserves repeating that I've never once supported abolishing vaccines (another media lie), myself and many parents all just wish to have "clean" vaccines without the chemical cocktail. We all understand that vaccines themselves are beneficial to society.

The governments (UK and USA) both deemed that both independent studies were bogus; one was a scientist from the UK, who was de-certified (medical license taken away) and run out of the country for publishing his findings, and a university study in the USA was deemed as compromised, since the research team leader has an autistic child. With both reports, none of the actual facts (and their conclusions) were proven false, but this is a propaganda war, not an honest approach or attempt to find the truth.

recent congressional hearings, a congressional panel asked THESE questions to the CDC:

Mercury is a toxin. Why has it never been tested?

If pregnant women are told not to eat fish with mercury, how can it be safe to inject it into the mom and/or the baby?

What is the cumulative effect of the mercury in all those shots?

The FDA has admitted that there’s no conclusive evidence that mercury causes neurological damage. Since that means there is some doubt, why not err on the side of safety and remove it from all vaccines?

Why is mercury still in multiple-vial shots? Why can’t single vials be used?

If mercury is so safe, why was it taken out of all but a few vaccines?

Why so many shots in one day? Sometimes 9 at a time. Kids used to get 3, if that. Why are there more than 40 now?

Why not spread out the shots, giving only one at a time, until more evidence is in?

Why not test the safety of giving multiple shots in the same day?

How about comparing families who have children with autism with families who don’t?

Where is the study of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children?

Is anyone looking at the geographic disparities?

What about finding treatments that are effective?

Where’s the accountability for the autism epidemic?

What about the “integrity” of Dr. Poul Thorsen, who was involved in 21 of the CDC’s 24 vaccine studies?

Where did the law shielding vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits originate?

What will it take to develop a comprehensive national strategy to make things better?

What about improved coordination among federal agencies?

Why are things getting worse and worse in spite of everything that’s being done?

How do we effectively and efficiently use our energy and our passion to get something done? We’re looking into causes, etc., but the people in this room need help right now.

Why aren’t you listening to the families and focusing on what they are telling you and what they need? There is too much parental evidence of the same story over and over—my child was normal and healthy, then got vaccines and changed overnight.

Autism is a public health crisis. Why isn’t it on the front burner of the CDC every day?


The answers were approaching idiocy...
The two federal representatives—Coleen Boyle from the CDC and Alan Guttmacher from the NIH answered collectively with the following:


We’ve come a long way in the field of autism.

It’s a national health priority.

The numbers have increased due to better diagnosis and increased recognition.

There have been numerous studies—and there are others in progress—to determine what accounts for the increase.

Surveillance tracking has been done in 12 states.

A lot of money has been spent for things like early detection in babies as young as 6 months old.

We’re working on a 5-minute questionnaire that will diagnosis autism as early as 1 year of age.

No one knows the cause, although car emissions and the age of the mother when pregnant could be to blame.

More research is needed before, during, and after pregnancy.

We don’t know how to prevent it, so we should focus on a cure.

The IACC has tools in place to identify best practices and risk factors and improve the lives of those with autism.

Lives—not to mention money—have been saved because of vaccines.

Mercury was removed from all vaccines in 2001.

Since mercury is safe, we don’t know why it was removed from most shots, but we’ll look into it and get back to you.

We don’t know how many multi-vial vaccines still contain mercury.

The reason so many shots are given at the same time is to make sure all kids get them. They use the opportunity to make sure it happens.

Forty is a little high for the number of shots. I don’t think children get that many.

All the vaccines and the schedule have been perfectly thought out by experts.

There is a body of evidence that shows no relation between vaccines and autism.

Vaccines have been proven safe in study after study.

It’s a puzzle—we’re putting the pieces together.

#197630 by Starfish Scott
Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:24 am
Medicine/vaccines/prevention in general is a privatized setup.

"Don't come up with a cure for anything too fast because marketing won't be on track when it hits thus we'd all make less money and that doesn't make corporate happy...nooooooo".

#197636 by MikeTalbot
Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:24 am
I routinely refuse flu shots for the last five years or so. Do I want the flu? Nope.

Do I trust the yankee govt and big pharma? Nope.

I'll take my chances.

Talbot

#197661 by PaperDog
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:00 am
MikeTalbot wrote:I routinely refuse flu shots for the last five years or so. Do I want the flu? Nope.

Do I trust the yankee govt and big pharma? Nope.

I'll take my chances.

Talbot


I feel the same way... I havent taken a flu shot in 10 years...Aint really been that sick for it. The one time (the last time) I took I shot, it laid me up for 3 weeks...Never do that again...

#197675 by gtZip
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:32 am
Dizzizz, you are an ignorant f**k.
Respectfully, of course.

#197679 by PaperDog
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:05 am
GT, Dizzizz has some valid points. (I don't know though, if he is aware of the situation you are facing with your child. )

By valid, I mean, the Booster vacs were arranged primarily because lesser doses in the same intervals did not invoke the expected immunity against specific diseases. The decision to administer Boosters was a critical one. The truth is there are far more kids , who did not have complications from vaccination, than kids , who did.

There is no evidence in any medical journal (That I am aware of) that can be used to assert that Vaccinations 'cause' autism.

Me personally, in my humble opiion, is it may be caused by some nutritional deficiency..Or...given the rise in cases this generation, its possible that We ourselves as parents, were exposed to environmental hazards/chemicals that caused problems in the subsequent generation

Its all hypothesis and theres just isnt a real answer yet.

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