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#194020 by Starfish Scott
Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:09 am
lol Fie Fi Foe Fum, I smell dance music..

(sharpens knife)

#194181 by GuitarMikeB
Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:03 pm
DJ - as the Chief says/thinks, your stuff is very dance music style, not sure anyone is looking to do that type of thing, but we'll leave it there for now.

OK, last night I started working on something.

Took gtZip's 'Pool' intro and married it to Planetguy's Iguana bass+drums file.

First thing I noticed that the Pool was not in concert pitch - it was sharp about 0.1 semitones (hard to get an accurate number due to the chorus effect used). I corrected that in Reaper, but everyone trying to participate in this should make sure they are in true tuned pitch.

I slowed down Planetguy's part about 5% to make it blend a little better, and when trying to add a simple rhythm guitar, quickly found the variation from verse/bridge 1 to verse/bridge2 made it impossible to do well - this kind of change-up might work fine in a free-form jazz-fusion improv, but not for a collaboration.
So I took his first verse/bridge and looped it a second time, sounded better and more consistent, but I ran out of time last night to track another rhythm guitar part and then render the whole thing down to a mono track - will do it tonight and put in the drop box, along with the same thing without my guitar work, in case someone else wants to try adding their part.

More comments on the next step after I do that.

#194243 by gtZip
Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:44 pm
Ya... That guitar sometimes goes slightly sharp when I drop-D it.
oops.

#194254 by GuitarMikeB
Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:39 pm
gtZip wrote:Ya... That guitar sometimes goes slightly sharp when I drop-D it.
oops.

And that's why DAWs have pitch correction - an easy fix!

#194257 by Kramerguy
Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:49 pm
I'm a simple person when it comes to recording and mixing.

If I am to lay a track upon someone else's work, I simply record the work in stereo into my digital recorder, lay down a stereo track, then mix them, and then save the output to a wave file.

All these DAW programs just make my head hurt, they are generally difficult to use and comprehend, and more often than not, my simple USB input never seems to work right inside these programs, if at all... And I'm a software specialist / network admin. Eesh, lol.

#194265 by gtZip
Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:33 pm
GuitarMikeB wrote:
gtZip wrote:Ya... That guitar sometimes goes slightly sharp when I drop-D it.
oops.

And that's why DAWs have pitch correction - an easy fix!


You see Scotty?
Pitch correction!
Makes short work of a problem.

#194268 by Starfish Scott
Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:51 pm
It's good for a quick fix, but you know I don't like quick fixes and easy is not a term I like. I prefer GOOD.

#194281 by GuitarMikeB
Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:13 am
There's all sorts of ways to record, and depending on the recorder you have, you can do much the same as with a DAW - automation of volumes, FX, etc, but most stand-alone recorders do not allow the multiplicity of things that a DAW does (for example, does your recorder allow you to make a loop, double it, and change the tempo (without changing the pitch)?

So, for those still interested.
Go to http://www.dropbox.com
Sign in with User name: bandmixproject@yahoo.com, password: bandmix.

I have uploaded (in WAV): Iguana Pool 11-15-12-1, this is a stereo file, with everything on the right channel, so anyone with even the simplest stereo digital recorder can take this file, and add their own track on the left side, then upload it back to dropbox (please rename it), then I can take that new track and add it to the project.

I have taken gtZip's 'Pools' intro, added a little acoustic lead (this is not necessarily a keeper - record something better of of you virtuosos!) and then Planetguy's basic bass track and scratch drum beat - adding a rhythm guitar part. This goes for two patterns, then only the drums continue - at a quickened pace (this can be changed, too, or lengthened of course).
Someone else now add something, or suggest a further change.
Someone willing to add a real (or programmed) drum track is welcome to, too, of course - just upload it separately as a mixed stereo track (mono drums are bland).

#194282 by Planetguy
Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:13 am
DJ Orion wrote:I could take the files currently there and make sure they are all loops, and in wav. format.

I can use variaudio to find the exact keys any of you are hitting as well, so I can play along with whatever you put up.

I'l see if what's up there is on the same beat and harmonious, play around a bit. I might upload either a backup track to something, a beat, or an early mix.

EDIT - After reviewing these files, I have picked out a couple.

"Riding This Train" has a very Jack Jonhsony feel to it, I'm liking it. If I created a tempo track for this, would you be able to play it in synch?

"Little Boat" is also to my liking, if I made a tempo track would you be able to play this to the tempo?

"E-Bass" has a nice groove to it, and I think would go well with Riding This Train". The two just have to be in snych with each other. I even think the beat in E-Bass would be good for it.

EDIT - I uploaded "New11_14_2012DJO", which is a wav export of what I was working on yesterday and this morning. If anyone wants me to pull a track out to be used seperately, I will. It is 2 synths, as well as a few lines for the beat. If you have anything you can play to this, I could use anything harmonious, expecially for the breaks.

As well, i've been in love with this song I recently made called Everlast. If anyone would like any of the tracks let me know, it's all handmade midi so I can break it down to any note.
You can find the song here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spK5vh9Y2Ww&feature=plcp


DJ knock yerself out and slice and dice thaose tunes up anyone you like. i look forward to hearing what you come up with. as for as being able to work w any "tempo trks" you come up w.....yeah, sure.

i checked your tune.....i hear a few ideas and i'm gonna mess w it some. be afraid.

#194292 by Planetguy
Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:31 am
GuitarMikeB wrote:
Took gtZip's 'Pool' intro and married it to Planetguy's Iguana bass+drums file.
oooooh, this is getting interesting!




I slowed down Planetguy's part about 5% to make it blend a little better, and when trying to add a simple rhythm guitar, quickly found the variation from verse/bridge 1 to verse/bridge2 made it impossible to do well - this kind of change-up might work fine in a free-form jazz-fusion improv, but not for a collaboration.


ok mike...what you call vs one/ first brdg is exactly the same as the vs two/brdg two. i just checked it. twice.

A sect=Am7/Am7/Am7/G~E7~/ (4x)
B sect= BbM7add11/ BbM7add11/ Am7/ Am7 (2x)

then it repeats the same A sect and B sect and at 2:04 goes to another section ...what i think of as the brdg:

FM7~E7/ G~E7/ FM7~E7/ G~E7/ FM7~E7/ G~E7/ FM7/ E7/

then there's a line which is kind of next section or second half of the brdg and finally back to the A section and Bsection and out. make sense? it's pretty clear if you check the version that i laid the scratch rhythm gtr in and prolly easier to hear than the version w just bass and drums.

but no worries. if you were able to slice and dice and make that work....that's totally fine too.

gotta run now but will check what you've done first thing fri am. looking fwd to hearing it!

#194325 by Ryan Douglas Michelsen
Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:10 am
I played around with some of the files again today.

-I added "PianoLittleBoatDJO111612", which is "Little Boat" with simple piano chords added on. I can go further with this, but i'd like to know if anyone else likes where it's goin.

-I also added "11152012DJOEBASSPIANORIFFS". I expirimented here, and cut apart a couple chords from "Riding This Train", took the beat from "E-Bass", and added a simple piano track. It's short, but I was wondering if anyone liked the loop.

-Added "Ballad", a big Midi project i've been working on. It's got some potential, but the triple notes can get annoying, and i'm not sure what to do with it next. Any reccs?

As for the "dance" track I uploaded, after another day of editing, I came up with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1PzPsEc5y8

Sounded great on two sets of speakers. Moved to the living room subs and as usual I lost a lot of middle tone and gained treble/bass. Should I expect to sound great on one and poor on the other (Stereo to surround), or if I keep EQ'ing will it sound better? I'm starting to think those speakers are just low quality, or I need to start mixing with them instead.

Woulda got to a lot more today, but spent a lot of time working on AtWE.

#194336 by GuitarMikeB
Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:19 pm
Planetguy wrote:ok mike...what you call vs one/ first brdg is exactly the same as the vs two/brdg two. i just checked it. twice.

A sect=Am7/Am7/Am7/G~E7~/ (4x)
B sect= BbM7add11/ BbM7add11/ Am7/ Am7 (2x)

then it repeats the same A sect and B sect and at 2:04 goes to another section ...what i think of as the brdg:

FM7~E7/ G~E7/ FM7~E7/ G~E7/ FM7~E7/ G~E7/ FM7/ E7/

then there's a line which is kind of next section or second half of the brdg and finally back to the A section and Bsection and out. make sense? it's pretty clear if you check the version that i laid the scratch rhythm gtr in and prolly easier to hear than the version w just bass and drums.

but no worries. if you were able to slice and dice and make that work....that's totally fine too.

gotta run now but will check what you've done first thing fri am. looking fwd to hearing it!


Did you use a fretless bass? The sliding notes seemed to go off-tune (maybe it was the Emajor vs minor pattern I was hearing), that's why I took the first A and B sections and looped them again.
I didn't listen to your file that had guitar as I wanted to put my own thoughts on it.

For the A section, I used Am7 - G - Em
For the B section, I used Bb - Am7, Bb - Am7, F - Em

Anyone else here want to do some added tracks/changes/extensions?
Last edited by GuitarMikeB on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.

#194340 by Planetguy
Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:56 pm
GuitarMikeB wrote:
Did you use a fretless bass? The sliding notes seemed to go off-tune (maybe it was the Emajor vs minor pattern I was hearing), that's why I took the first A and B sections and looped them again.
I didn't listen to your file that had guitar as I wanted to put my own thoughts on it.

For the A section, I used Am7 - G - Em
For the B section, I used Bb - Am7, Bb - Am7, F - Em


yep fretless. i won't make a case for it's intonation being 100% spot on but listening to your added rhythm track....the intonation between the two are definitely at odds. maybe when you moved my bass trks intonation to match up w the POOLS bit caused the problem?

i didn't expect you (or anyone) to use the scratch rhythm gtr part i included on the Iguana (bass-drums-throwaway rhythm gtr) version
https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Project% ... w=780f7f4d but listening to that version i don't hear the same intonation issues as when listening to your rhythm gtr trk (granted...my rhtym gtr does have a healthy dose of chorus on it).

the other thing i notice is one of the worst offenders is when i hit my open "A" at the beginning of each line against your gtr part. (letting ME off the hook, hehehe). :wink:

it is a little different hearing you lay in the Em7 in there instead of an E7 ...not bad....just a little different ...and that's exactly where and how the "collaboration" and interpretation part of this SHOULD come into play.

if you're attatched to your rhythm gtr part...i wonder if maybe you oughta add a healthy dollop of chorus or flange to it to mask some of intonation issues between the bass and gtr???

good idea leaving some open ended drums at the end for someone to tack something else on.







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#194346 by GuitarMikeB
Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:18 pm
Maybe the tuning/intonation happened when you converted to MP3? I don't think it would have happened when I changed the tempo of the tracks as I preserved the pitch and it should stay uniform anyway.
I was thinking it was me at first, as first time I tried recording (to the unlooped track), I was using my acoustic, but it became worse during the second A/B pattern, and even worse for the section after that.
After that I looped A/B once, but never got the chance to try it again with the acoustic, used my Tele last night for what I posted. It has some chorus on it already, but could take that up a notch easily enough.

Maybe try taking your original bass and drum tracks - slow them down a bit if you can - and re-upload them as WAV?

#195434 by GuitarMikeB
Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:23 pm
Guess some folks were right in that this would never go far.

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