GLENNY J wrote:VinnyViolin wrote:Planetguy wrote:as for mediocrity....i think you need to go back to GW for the shining example of mediocrity. c'mon, no one else really comes close.
G Dubya Bush was sooo exceptionally mediocre ... we could fairly call him an oxymoron!
Vinny,, I see you so busy bashing Bush as many others. There are things I wouldn't agree with either,,,, Circumstance led him to make decisions based on direct attacks on America. I don't like homeland security, TSA and so many other levels of government that are supposed to keep us safe.
THEY CAN NEVER DO WHAT THEY SAY,,, FEMA just proved that. CLOSED BECAUSE OF BAD WEATHER! 
Instead of just staying on the Bush bashing out of rhetorical interest,,, You could do us all a favor by explaining your strong dislike with some solid reasoning. I didn't like his father because he put our troops in harms way, wiped out the whole Iraq army in 4 days and then SUCKED UP TO THE U.N. and backed off. If GWB1 had any balls we would have never had to go in at the bequest of the U.N..... When hussein killed his citizens with sarin gas..... 15 U.N. resolutions later we are doing their stupid game.
We should have never had to do it twice.
Economically,,,, congress empowered fannie and freddie to make unstable loans to ensure that every person had the possibility of owning a piece of the American dream. The banks were given carte blanche to make risky loans. I don't think Bush was quite for this.... Honestly I don't I don't remember who controlled congress in 2000 but I think it was called the affordable home act.
Instead of blaming the banks,,,, Who really was at fault?
Any way we are 4 years out of bush control and he is still getting all the blame for everything.
How about the fed reserve printing 40 billion a month right now and just devaluing your dollar (Q E)
I don't know Vinny,,, For once please explain your position on Bush so that I may have the opportunity to agree with you. Thanks.
Actually, I think Dubya was a dupe same as Obama is a dupe ... doing what they are told by those who hold influence over them, just like any other president since WWII ... inner circles of the Council On Foreign Relations, Bilderbergs, ... groups that are dedicated to establishing and exerting power through a global governance above any national sovereignty. I think Bill Clinton, George H. Bush and Dick Cheney were consciously working in these groups for those ends ... unlike Dubya and Obama who just sign off on what gets put in front of them. Kennedy disobeyed and paid the price.
"In 1966, Quigley published a one-volume history of the twentieth century entitled Tragedy And Hope. At several points in this book, the history of the Milner group is discussed. Moreover, Quigley states that he has recently been in direct contact with this organization, whose nature he contrasts to right-wing claims of a communist conspiracy:
This radical Right fairy tale, which is now an accepted folk myth in many groups in America, pictured the recent history of the United States, in regard to domestic reform and in foreign affairs, as a well-organized plot by extreme Left-wing elements.... This myth, like all fables, does in fact have a modicum of truth. There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the Radical right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other group, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960’s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies... but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.[6]:949-950
According to Quigley, the leaders of this group were Cecil Rhodes and Alfred Milner from 1891 until Rhodes’ death in 1902, Milner alone until his own death in 1925, Lionel Curtis from 1925 to 1955, Robert H. (Baron) Brand from 1955 to 1963, and Adam D. Marris from 1963 until the time Quigley wrote his book. This organization also functioned through certain loosely affiliated “front groups”, including the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Institute of Pacific Relations, and the Council on Foreign Relations.[6]:132, 950-952
