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sorry but I think the power and influence of the UN itself is limited, and US influence over then UN is often dramatically overstated. We're one of 5 top countries in the UN, and technically have a minority vote.

We've certainly welcomed the UN monitoring the elections of countries that we've liberated, so what's good for the goose, right?

Well, yes, if there is one of the reasons stated above.

Most vote monitoring the U.N. does is where they've not been a voting country for long, or their has been a regime change.

It's to guarantee the integrity of the process from 3rd-world-nation thuggury and warlords. Do you think we've actually sunk that low? If so, do you ever wonder how we've come to that status in only 4 years?


Besides, if we're supporting that kind of intimidation from the U.N. anywhere else, then we should absolutely do something to stop it immediately! I'm not saying it is good for goose OR gander. I don't think Jimmy Carter's views represent us well either.


The only side I'm on is the truth.

I'd argue that since 2000 when the SCOTUS violated the public trust by STOPPING a legitimate and necessary recount to NAME a winner, that yes, our elections are absolutely corrupted.

Then in 2004, Ohio sees 10's of thousands of ballots mysteriously get delivered to a shady garage and then the boxes 'tampered with' thus making the votes uncountable (measure AGAINST fraud, used FOR fraud), and the possibility that the entire POTUS election hinged on that state, and the ballots were from a district heavily on the losing side of the election.. well that yes, there is rampant election fraud.

2012:
Voter roll purging
Rogue volunteers dumping voter registrations in trash cans
Draconian last-minute laws designed to stop specific demographics from being able to legally vote
and politicians who publicly gloat about how they used such measures to win the election, without couth or shame.
Yes, our elections are corrupted.

sorry guys, you can't have it both ways w/o looking like a sanctimonius ass and hypocrite.

boo hooo, boooo hoooo all this rampant voter fraud!!!

booo hooo, boooo hoooooo there are gonna people checking that there isn't any!!!!

And your answer is insert people who will ensure that there is fraud?

the answer is to have people monitoring the action. that's what's happening. it's your brainwashed Chicken Little outlook that automatically assumes it's yet another conspiracy. kneejerk much?

Obviously you don't know a lot about the U.N. and it's global agenda, so please go back to sleep and let the watchmen take care of it.

oh, you mean how they're here to take over the world and hand it over to obama, put us in shackles, and turn us all into slaves to do their evil bidding? nah....guess i ain't as edumacated as you.

there's no an end to your doomsday scenarios are there?

"watchmen"??? is that what you are...a "watchman"? hey, ya better check under your bed. i'm sure there's a big bad boogey man (or a dozen) waiting to getcha!

you guys slay me.

then die, already

wow, really? nice.

sorry but I think the power and influence of the UN itself is limited, and US influence over then UN is often dramatically overstated. We're one of 5 top countries in the UN, and technically have a minority vote.

We've certainly welcomed the UN monitoring the elections of countries that we've liberated, so what's good for the goose, right?

Well, yes, if there is one of the reasons stated above.

Most vote monitoring the U.N. does is where they've not been a voting country for long, or their has been a regime change.

It's to guarantee the integrity of the process from 3rd-world-nation thuggury and warlords. Do you think we've actually sunk that low? If so, do you ever wonder how we've come to that status in only 4 years?


Besides, if we're supporting that kind of intimidation from the U.N. anywhere else, then we should absolutely do something to stop it immediately! I'm not saying it is good for goose OR gander. I don't think Jimmy Carter's views represent us well either.


The only side I'm on is the truth.

Yod, Kramer just wants to take the side of the U.N. his argument to justify the U.N. coming to Texas and trying to intimidate Texans that are just trying to cast a vote. He probably thinks Obummers apology tour was justified and the right thing to do?

please explain how the monitors will be "intimidating" people. i mean are they gonna be in full combat gear brandishing weapons and holding up signs "VOTE DEMOCRAT OR DIE!"?????

explain how this "intimidation" is to take place please.

and face it... if you want someone to thank for the monitoring...you can thank the tea baggers and all the repubs crying about voter fraud. thank the chumps who were calling for stricter voter registration.

as far as i'm concerned you hypocrites got exactly what you deserved (monitoring)...but look on the plus side, it DOES give you conspiracy yahoos yet one more thing to bray about.

and face it... if you want someone to thank for the monitoring...you can thank the tea baggers and all the repubs crying about voter fraud. thank the chumps who were calling for stricter voter registration.

as far as i'm concerned you hypocrites got exactly what you deserved (monitoring)...but look on the plus side, it DOES give you conspiracy yahoos yet one more thing to bray about.

I suppose you think its just fine for foriegners to come into our country and tell us how to run our government? I guess you HYPOCRITES think it was fine and dandy for the New Black Panthers to bring rifles and stand outside a voting precinct in military style dress back in 08. Mark do you think Obummers apology tour was JUST?

Yod, Kramer just wants to take the side of the U.N. his argument to justify the U.N. coming to Texas and trying to intimidate Texans that are just trying to cast a vote. He probably thinks Obummers apology tour was justified and the right thing to do?

fail on the incomprehensible sentence.

my argument is what?

The "apology tour" didn't happen, just another right-wing dreamt up conspiracy...
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 3734.story

and another..
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/ ... -its-false

A CNN fact check of Romney's critique of Obama's foreign policy tactics showed the Republican nominee's claim of an "apology tour" is false.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/politics/ ... index.html
http://blogs.metrotimes.com/index.php/2 ... -whoppers/
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 ... p/190150#b

pretty much EVERY source, including local papers, fact checkers, major papers and national news channels except FOX News has declared it to be completely false.

Yet you shamelessly still repeat it like a blind and faithful servant. You are clearly not interested in the truth.

Say what you want about me, but at least I can honestly claim to be a seeker of truth, no matter how much I may not like the outcome, I can accept truth and deal with it.

and face it... if you want someone to thank for the monitoring...you can thank the tea baggers and all the repubs crying about voter fraud. thank the chumps who were calling for stricter voter registration.

as far as i'm concerned you hypocrites got exactly what you deserved (monitoring)...but look on the plus side, it DOES give you conspiracy yahoos yet one more thing to bray about.

I suppose you think its just fine for foriegners to come into our country and tell us how to run our government? I guess you HYPOCRITES think it was fine and dandy for the New Black Panthers to bring rifles and stand outside a voting precinct in military style dress back in 08. Mark do you think Obummers apology tour was JUST?

tell ya what jeff....i'll answer your questions after you answer the one i asked first.....again..please explain how monitors are gonna "intimidate" people.

s'all right jeff...i know you can't really explain w a rational answer how the monitors are gonna "intimidate" anyone...so i'll play along and answer your questions

I suppose you think its just fine for foriegners to come into our country and tell us how to run our government?

sheeet, jeff...that's EXACTLY what WE'VE been doing forever! so how is monitoring for fraud " coming in here and running our country"? and you do realize there ARE americans in the UN forces that will likely (maybe mostly?) be involved in the monitoring proceedings, right?

I guess you HYPOCRITES think it was fine and dandy for the New Black Panthers to bring rifles and stand outside a voting precinct in military style dress back in 08.

see that's exactly the gross overstatement, distortion, and an exaggeration that makes it so difficult to take your team seriously.

some facts....

1. there were TWO yahoo panthers involved. neither was wearing "miltary gear" (unless you consider a black leather jkt "military gear").
2. neither carried "rifles".
3. one yahoo did have a nightstick and was charged. (rightly so)

don't believe me? check the vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4MTQVMatW0

Mark do you think Obummers apology tour was JUST?

can't answer because there was no such tour. that's more right wing distortion proganda that's been repeated so many times....you actually believe that hooey. (just like the panther distortions)

the answer is to have people monitoring the action. that's what's happening. it's your brainwashed Chicken Little outlook that automatically assumes it's yet another conspiracy. kneejerk much?

you have no room to talk about brainwashed

oh, you mean how they're here to take over the world and hand it over to obama, put us in shackles, and turn us all into slaves to do their evil bidding? nah....guess i ain't as edumacated as you.

I see the educational system has failed you horribly, producing exactly the results desired

there's no an end to your doomsday scenarios are there?

It only takes common sense to see the world is in upheaval.

Doomsday happens when people are too stupid to realize it, or too apathetic to do anything. In your case, it's combined with denial.

"watchmen"??? is that what you are...a "watchman"? hey, ya better check under your bed. i'm sure there's a big bad boogey man (or a dozen) waiting to getcha!

Many are watching. Many are blind.

you have no room to talk about brainwashed

you give me TONS of room w each and every paranoid doomsday scenario you toss off. trust me...the world ISN'T coming to an end tomorrow. or the next day.

I see the educational system has failed you horribly, producing exactly the results desired

sadly you see little past your nose and your twisted views. were i you (and i'm damn glad i'm not) i'd take a good long in the mirror before jumping to conclusions about anyone else's education.

It only takes common sense to see the world is in upheaval.

yeah....if you and your ilk are the experts on "common sense"...maybe the world IS coming to an end. puh-leeeease..bring it on!

Doomsday happens when people are too stupid to realize it, or too apathetic to do anything. In your case, it's combined with denial.

i don't deny fools like you exist and your life's work is to spread gloom and doom. hey, if that gives you a sense of purpose and self worth...alerting the sleeping masses to coming armagedon...you go girl!

Many are watching. Many are blind.

and many are just plain ol' wackjobs who consider themselves "watchmen".

hey, if the straightjacket fits.....

Aside from being worthless, now they have to invade Texas and Monitor Our Voting ...?? What a bunch of cock-suckers. Seriously It's Phuking 1984 with these ass-wipes.

I read that they could get Arrested. I seriously hope they do.. WHo the Phuk do they think they are , telling us how to vote and accusing us of suspicious voting methods.

We don't cheat in Texas (they must be thinking about Florida!)

The UN can suck my Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/2 ... _ref=false

well if we hadn't signed up for all that PC crap it wouldn't be coming back to us now.
we are currently dishing tonnes of it in Afghanistan.
so that certainly begs the question doesn't it?

that's what happens when you put the empire up for grabs and try to hold on to it at the same time.

Yod, Kramer just wants to take the side of the U.N. his argument to justify the U.N. coming to Texas and trying to intimidate Texans that are just trying to cast a vote. He probably thinks Obummers apology tour was justified and the right thing to do?

fail on the incomprehensible sentence.

my argument is what?

The "apology tour" didn't happen, just another right-wing dreamt up conspiracy...
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 3734.story

and another..
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/ ... -its-false

A CNN fact check of Romney's critique of Obama's foreign policy tactics showed the Republican nominee's claim of an "apology tour" is false.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/politics/ ... index.html
http://blogs.metrotimes.com/index.php/2 ... -whoppers/
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 ... p/190150#b

pretty much EVERY source, including local papers, fact checkers, major papers and national news channels except FOX News has declared it to be completely false.

Yet you shamelessly still repeat it like a blind and faithful servant. You are clearly not interested in the truth.

Say what you want about me, but at least I can honestly claim to be a seeker of truth, no matter how much I may not like the outcome, I can accept truth and deal with it.

It is not imaginary I SAW WITH MINE OWN EYE'S HIM BOW DOWN TO OTHER WORLD LEADERS AND APOLOGIZE! You libtards can PRETEND it didn't happen but facts are facts brother!

so, was that before or after you saw the panthers in full military gear w rifles, eh jeff? snort, snort, chortle, chortle.

http://youtu.be/9WlqW6UCeaY

http://youtu.be/neGbKHyGuHU