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#188442 by jimmydanger
Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:06 pm
With all due respect, that is not how science works. Scientists continuously refine a theory as new data is discovered; they are never "done". Science is, like everything else, very competitive, and scientists all over the world are constantly trying challenge other scientist's work. This is how science advances. There is NO FAITH INVOLVED. Period.

#188445 by Drumsinhisheart
Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:08 pm
"Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." Richard Dawkins, Zoologist, and Professor for the Public Understanding of Science, Oxford University, "The Blind Watchmaker," [1986], Penguin: London, 1991, reprint, p.1

"The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific knowledge." Dr A. Fleishmann, Zoologist, Erlangen University

"We have no acceptable theory of evolution at the present time. There is none; and I cannot accept the theory that I teach to my students each year. Let me explain: I teach the synthetic theory known as the neo-Darwinian one, for one reason only; not because it's good, we know it is bad, but because there isn't any other. Whilst waiting to find something better you are taught something which is known to be inexact, which is a first approximation." Professor Jerome Lejeune,
Internationally recognised geneticist at a lecture given in Paris

"Big bang cosmology is probably as widely believed as has been any theory of the universe in the history of Western civilization.
It rests, however, on many untested, and in some cases untestable, assumptions. Indeed, big bang cosmology has become a bandwagon of thought that reflects faith as much as objective truth." G. Burbidge,
1992. Why only one big bang? Scientific American, 266(2):96

etc, etc, etc.

#188448 by jimmydanger
Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:15 pm
Next time please insert links if possible. I prefer to read the original text, not a quoted out of context snipet.

#188449 by Drumsinhisheart
Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:20 pm
Well, here is where these quotes exist, although, if I just had the books, you would not expect me to quote the entire book, right?

So, if reading the site is not good enough, so be it. I have no reason to distrust it. If you find any of the quotes taken out of context and misapplied, let me know.

http://www.evolutionisdead.com/quotes.php?search=rate

#188453 by jimmydanger
Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:34 pm
The name of the website is enough for me, sorry.

#188454 by Drumsinhisheart
Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:37 pm
Ah, total bias. Even if the quotes are accurate (which they are), you will not consider them because they are found on a creationist site.

So goes the whole tenure of "science" in our day. It isn't science. It's bias. It is worldview. It is opinions. But it is not truly empirical science.

#188459 by Sir Jamsalot
Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:01 pm
jimmydanger wrote:The solution to pollution (sorry) is simple but presently expensive: collect it and send it into the sun. Of course we're only talking about nuclear waste and other super poisons; burning fossil fuels will continue to escalate atmospheric pollution until they are used up.


Sorry to keep picking your posts to reply to Jimmy - nothing personal, I just find things in your posts that interest me. In this case, there is a new theory out there that says the theory of fossil fuels (dinosaurs & plants = oil) is false. New (see how new facts present themselves to debunk old ones?) facts surface that oil is the result of "abiotic" processes.

http://www.wnd.com/2008/02/45838/

If so, then fossil fuels will not expire - they self-replenish. The question is, can we use it up faster than the earth can replenish it? I doubt it. We may have local outtages - we suck it out of a well til its empty, but that's a local incident - and if it replenishes, then you can go back to that well at a later time. In the meantime, there's the rest of the world to explore.

As far as pollution is concerned - volcanoes and natural earth fires (underground coal fires & forest fires) produce massive pollutants into the air on a day to day basis.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/ ... no01m.html.

and this excerpt from another site:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-causes-air-pollution.htm wrote:"Indonesia’s Mount Tambora in 1815 sent such a huge amount of noxious gases and particulate matter into the atmosphere, that much solar energy was effectively blocked from reaching the earth’s surface. As a result, widespread famines were suffered worldwide in 1816. Brown and red snows were also seen in Europe, due to the presence of volcanic ash in the atmosphere. A killing frost in July of 1816 also led to massive crop failures in the northeastern United States, leading to colloquial references to 1816 as “The Year Without a Summer,” and “Eighteen Hundred And Froze To Death.”


Do we contribute? Yep! But compared to volcanoes and natural fires? Minuscule IMO. The opening paragraph of this 2001 article :

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 234907.htm

shows that Spending an hour behind a roaring lawn mower can spew nearly the same amount of oily pollution into the air as a 100-mile car trip, according to a Swedish study.

Lower emissions = better MPG which is in demand by the consumer, so car makers wanting to fill demand, produce more efficient (less polluting cars). While population increases, individual pollutant contribution decreases. If you were to localize pollution then you'd have a problem, but the air to pollution ratio is minuscule contribution-wise to the effects of natural sources.

No, I don't advocate pollution - I advocate being responsible enough to clean up after yourself and not spew waste into the air frivolously, but at the same time, I don't associate our weather patterns to human activity. I'ts more likely the cause of solar activity - we are situated pretty close to a huge ball of fire in the sky that often spews solar flares and pulsates as all good stars in the solar system do.

I would also like to add that the global temperature monitoring stations are under serious scrutiny. I've posted this before, but I'll do it again. Over time, the weather stations responsible for monitoring temperature have fallen out of repair, or cities and structures have grown up around them which affect the temperature readings. You can learn more about this here:

http://www.surfacestations.org/about.htm

In short, you can't tell if your kid has a fever if the thermometer is broken.
#188461 by Vampier
Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:21 pm
....Drums ... this is another quote you may find interesting, also in your quest for Truth I have found that the tracing of the word itself as far back as possible very helpful in if not finding it at least understanding it more fully. Gandhi is a good place to start ... Sanskrit word for Truth is Satya,

"The Roots of Violence ... wealth without work ...pleasure without conscience ,,,knowledge without character ...commerce without morality ...science without humanity ... worship without sacrifice ...politics without principles."

Mahatma Gandhi


Jimmy ...I think that what Albert Einstein said about science is best applied to what you have said about science...

"It would be possible to describe everything scientifically. But it would make no sense ...it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven Symphony as a variation of wave pressure."

Albert Einstein

Kramer ... this is for you....

"Even if you are a minority of one, the Truth is the Truth."

Gandhi

A final quote for everyone ...

"Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record of dead religions."

Oscar Wilde

I am sorry to hear of your child being disabled Kramer ...I know now why you are in league with my thoughts on many things. No I have no disabled child but I have seen what I have seen in many places what now grows even worse daily. My Wife is a 1st and 2nd grade teacher in a Private School and she sees many such things of growing and tragic proportion .... somehow "science" has failed a cure for this or it's root cause which is Greed. For this there is no cure as it is the weakness of mankind and is readily pounced upon by the AntiHumanists who think themselves somehow to be "Gods".

Ta Live Well Die Well

#188527 by Drumsinhisheart
Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:46 am
I have read about the natural replenishing of "fossil fuels." Interesting stuff.

This quote, Vampier:

"Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record of dead religions."

Oscar Wilde

is pretty silly. Can examples be provided for what Wilde is addressing there?
#188583 by Vampier
Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:31 pm
...Oscar Wilde ... his life ... his works ... his words ...all have been and remain "popular" due to their "controvesy" I find his entertaining and at times refreshing. Often his quotes are thought provoking but I do agree with you in another way rather silly. He had an extraordinary sense of humour and was gifted in provocation.

I put it out there purely for what it is and why it was perhaps made in the first place ... to raise some _ _ _ _ , provoking some fresh thought. In no way do I equate Oscar Wilde with Gandhi or Einstein. My desire was to demonstrate that when it comes to religion, politics and science there are many viewpoints and even more numerous disagreements. I believe all of these to be "manmade" things so one has but to consider the source.

I think that Truth is easier to ascertain if one sticks with the basics in all of these cases. What everyone says here has just as much relevance as any other I believe. No one on here is truly Evil and all are in their own way "Truth Seekers".

You are very interesting to me. I find your photos/videos, music and kit amazing and unlike any I have ever seen. The fact that you make your own drums makes you what in "old terminology" would be called a Master...my compliments. Your willingness to reveal yourself, your personal journey and your views speak much about how you are ... what you are.

Being Drums you are the heartbeat of any band or music. I think you would be an asset and a very sound base (pun) for any musical creation, discussion or activity. You are welcome at my fire any time.

The world is about to ignite and it will not be a slow burn. I suggest that your possible move to Texas be completed asap before it becomes impossible. Keep in mind that there will soon be a great exodus from US cities. PaperDog is in Texas and it would be wise to communicate with him. If you seek a real adventure then I invite you to come and visit for a time as my guest. I can provide free accomodation. If this interests you then let us communicate.

Ta Live Well Die Well

#188584 by Sir Jamsalot
Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:41 pm
Drumsinhisheart wrote:I have read about the natural replenishing of "fossil fuels." Interesting stuff.

This quote, Vampier:

"Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record of dead religions."

Oscar Wilde

is pretty silly. Can examples be provided for what Wilde is addressing there?


Read up on Oscar Wilde ~ may shed some light
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/f ... count.html

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