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[quote="Craig Maxim"]First the Blues. Now drummers?

Can't wait to see what you post for an encore! LOL

cheers graig im working on a follow up watch this space...
i knew that this subject would get people involved both drummers and non drummers(thats what this board is all about i hope) and i have to agree with "the kidd" that drummers are a soft target due to the reasons he stated and i personaly think that drums are as importaint or unimportaint as any other instrument in any band,it is so importaint that the drums or "heart beat" need to be tight..its the building blocks for any great band but ive often seen bands suffer due to the lack of a good drummer,you could have srv playing guitar but if the drums are not quite right it drags everthing else down with it.
so just for the record let me put it this way, what do you think would be worse, music without drums or drums without music...ya know.

i personaly think that drums are as importaint or unimportaint as any other instrument in any band,it is so importaint that the drums or "heart beat" need to be tight..its the building blocks for any great band.

I was just having fun with you bro!

But you are exactly right about the importance of a good drummer versus a mediocre one.

Drummers have a hard path in alot of ways. As you said, they need to be dead-on. They have to have an absolute sense of not only timing but bpm rate. A song meant to be 120 bpm does not have the same groove at 100 bpm. Drummers can play to strobes these days to stay on the right speed, but it wasn't always so. When a drummer is not in the pocket the whole thing falls apart. If a keyboardist or guitarist strays a little, it can be perceived as artistic, or maybe even go unoticed by non-musicians. But the drummer can have a whole dance floor of people looking like pee-wee herman, if he loses them beat-wise. LOL

The drummer usually gets stuck at the back of the stage because of the sheer size of most kits, so they get less accolades many times, and yet if they are off, suddenly everyone notices them now. Tough gig.

Are good drummers important?

Put it this way...

I would MUCH rather have a great drummer and a mediocre lead guitarist, than have a mediocre drummer and a great lead guitarist.

Hey Craig,

Yeah buddy, the drummer REALLY earns his keep in the studio...I remember my first session job in Nashville...It was a slow bluesy 12/8 thing for a demo and man ,I was havin a heck of a time playin on the back of the beat..I was young and inexperienced at this time sig.and really didnt understand what the producer wanted...He kept sayin I was "too stiff"...alot of it was nerves too. ....Yep, in alotta grooves, its all about "feel"...Shuffled 8's vrs straight 8's...Dotted 16's on the BD... Rudiments on the SD..Yep...Every drummer can feel those alittle differently...

John

Lmao! Bunch of people dancing like Pee Wee Herman would scare me. I would sue the drummer.

As far as what you guys are saying, I agree. A drummer is so important it is scary, there is so much music that is carried by them, if they were not there neither would the music be. As you said, Craig, guitarists can mess up and stray (Unless they are in unison with the same riff and one plays it in the wrong key). A drummer messes up, you know it. I was talking to my friend about that, we were talking about needing a good drummer to handle the kind of music we would do in a band. You have a bad one and you are doomed.

At any rate, peace out people, GuitarAnatomy.

If drummers are musicians, answer me this Batman.

I have a friend that is TONE DEAF. He's couldn't carry a tune with a bucket, so he plays drums. (actually wears 2 hearing aids)

How does that effect your opinion?

If drummers are musicians, answer me this Batman.

I have a friend that is TONE DEAF. He's couldn't carry a tune with a bucket, so he plays drums. (actually wears 2 hearing aids)

How does that effect your opinion?

*Coughs, plays the Joker* Simple Robin (Captain Scott), your friend has a special ability? Because anyone who can play any instrument with hearing aids is doing something right. But drummers are still musicians, they fit into the percussion section, and if an orchestra classifies them as being musicians, then that is what they are. Look at people who play snare drums, talk about a boring instrument, but they are considered a form of musicians.

Peace out, sign, The Joker (GuitarAnatomy)

If drummers are musicians, answer me this Batman.

I have a friend that is TONE DEAF. He's couldn't carry a tune with a bucket, so he plays drums. (actually wears 2 hearing aids)

How does that effect your opinion?

Beethoven composed when he was deaf. Forget about being tone deaf. You can be literally deaf and still PLAY an instrument. A musician is a performer of music. Look it up. You don't have to be able to hear to perform.

This musician is almost completely deaf, and she is world renowned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Glennie


When I was on the road with my mother's band, I will never forget a woman who was a fan of our music, and she told us we were very good musicians. Turned out she was deaf. Now, when the laughter has subsided, you could ask in seriousness, how could she possibly know that we were good musicians?

Thanks for asking!

We asked the same thing, and the answer was that she told us she could not "hear" the music, but she could "feel" it, through the vibrations the sound was producing.

So, did that "answer you this"... uhh.... Robin?

Welcome back.... btw

Hey Craig,

Yeah buddy, the drummer REALLY earns his keep in the studio

I have nothing but respect for good drummers. Our drummer, who is good, went out of town for work, and we had another drummer who was willing to fill in for a practice our drummer missed. While I was grateful that the other drummer was kind enough to sit in with us, I could have kissed our drummer's feet when he got back. The songs were not nearly as good without him!

So, take care of your drummers, and whatever you do, don't tell him jokes like these...


• How do you tell if the stage is level?
The drummer is drooling from both sides of his mouth.

• What do you call a drummer that breaks up with his girlfriend?
Homeless.

• What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
They both suck without Cream.

• How many drummers does it take to change a lightbulb?
Five: One to screw the bulb in, and four to talk about how much better
Neil Peart coulda done it.

• What do you call a drummer with half a brain?
Gifted.

• What do you call a Drummer in a Volkswagen?
Farfromthinken.

• What does a drummer use for contraception?
His personality.

• What's the best way to confuse a drummer?
Put a sheet of music in front of him.

• Why is a drum machine better than a drummer?
Because it can keep good time and won't sleep with your girlfriend.

• Hey, did you hear about the drummer who finished high school?
Me either.

• Why do guitarists put drumsticks on the dash of their car?
So they can park in the handicapped spot.

• What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
A drummer.

• How is a drum solo like a sneeze?
You can tell it's coming, but you can't do anything about it.

• How do you get a drummer off your porch?
Pay him for the pizza.

• What does the average drummer get on an IQ test?
Drool.

• How can you tell a drummer is walking behind you?
You can hear his knuckles dragging on the ground.

• What do you call a dozen drummers at the bottom of the sea?
A good start!

• What do you call a kid with a set of drums?
The poster child for Birth Control.

• What would you call the smartest drummer in the world?
Mildly retarded.

• What do you call 10 guys in a drum circle?
A dope ring.

• What has three legs and an asshole?
A drum stool.

• What is the difference between a drummer and a savings bond?
One will mature and make money.

• What's the difference between a large pizza and a drummer?
The pizza can feed a family of four.

• What is the difference between a bad drummer and a vacuum cleaner?
You have to plug one of them in before it sucks.

LMAO! Holy crap, those are good jokes, Craig Maxim. Poor drummers really get their asses kicked these days in terms of being musicians.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

A great band with a lousy drummer is a lousy band. A lousy band with a great drummer is a great band. I can't say for sure if drummers are musicians or not, but I can say for sure that a great drummer is of utmost importance if the musicians want to sound their best. Later...

question #2

Is Syncopation music?

Does keeping the beat translate to being a musician?

I say NO. (opens the floodgates) I do not, however, downplay the necessity of an excellent drummer.

I say it is only half of being a musician. (OMG A HALF OF A MAN!) lol

Craig,
....Keep 'Em Commin'...

some great jokes there craig

i knew it had to be the same here in the land of milk and honey..

who would be a drummer????damn they have a hard life

but ill say this...you cant play with them and you sure as hell cant play without them.

oh those crazy pots and pan playin guys.

Hey Gang,

Yeah , I quit beatin myself up yrs ago over this and just accepted being a drummer and all that went with it..I knew I was different but really didnt know why a had all of these abnormalities compared to other musicians...As I became more profient on other instruments, my symptoms subsided somewhat...I still have 70's and 80's flashbacks when playing now....At least I dont drink anymore...Sadly, we do resemble alot of those jokes...



john

Lol. Do not feel bad The KIDD, most guitarist resemble what others think of them. People look at guitarists like dumbells as well, especially during the "Dude" times. It is the life that comes with being anything other than an orchestra based musician (Pianist, classical guitarist, violinist, etc...).

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.