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#182742 by Vampier
Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:34 pm
...Dane ...I thank you for your Post. JCP61 has much more patience than I. You have such a "large" name for being such a "little" man. Those here upon this Forum have so much patience with such as you and I and are very forgiving so I try to return the favour ... why do you not

Your immature cynicism is so well displayed and expressed. "Squat" ? it seems that is what you do on everything ...squat and squawk. Your attempt to "squat" and leave your spore on other's threads since yours are so readily "recognized" and dismissed. I wish you only the best as you will need it very soon now.

Hitler is an undeniable part of the history of mankind and now very relevant in light of what is happening. He could give a good speech without a teleprompter. Some might label you as a Forum Hag .... just sayin.

But fret not for very soon I shall fade into oblivion so perhaps then you will miss me ? I will miss you and everyone on this Forum. I understand that I am at times a bit hard to take as well. It seems you could be better served by being a bit more dignified in your discourse and perhaps more forgiving of others not as "enlightened" as you ? Ta

#182746 by DainNobody
Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:03 pm
do you really feel JCP61 was more dignified than I was? really? I was on topic on that Danny Gatton thread and was not fertilizing it with any spore, but simply said Danny Gatton had absolutely no commercial appeal, which I was called out on, and went and retracted my staement and revised it saying he had little commercial appeal, I did not disagree that he was a slouch on guitar or anything, just stated the truth and then am attacked and my family derided cause of a simple opinion which is fact? Elton John had how many gold and platinum records, and Danny Gatton how many? I was not even intending to provoke anybody but then am ridiculed the rest of the weekend by somebody you have even had "problems" with as well as others, and I'm the forum hag? why don't you give credit where credit is due? and ostracize the true villain that continually harasses everybody here if you don't go along with his program..
squat? you are the one expressing an interest in starting some sort of community, and I ask is it alright to squat on your land and go through some sort of soaking in period deciding if your program will be of interest in real life? would not want to commit to something that looks good on paper, but is not what I imagined after seeing it in person? is it ok to bring pets? what's cynical about that?
how is Hitler revelant in today's world? in light of what's happening? his language was much too flowery and nothing good ever came from anything he had his hands in, and if you don't like to pay income taxes what the hell are you driving on my roads for and getting free protection from foreign enemies for..? do you think I like paying for your liberties you take for granted sponging off the rest of us? phuk you will be glad when you disappear for good

#182747 by Planetguy
Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:13 pm
down the same road once again i fear....


obama=socialism=hitler.....now where have i heard that stupid and baseless analogy before???? :roll:
#182757 by Vampier
Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:28 pm
...Dane ... I did not say JCP61 was more dignified ... I do find him difficult in the sense his views are not shared by myself and visa-versa but he does say some intelligent and valuable things as many do on here...including yourself. Pardon me but I do not really know who Danny Gatton is by name ... seriously I do not. I saw the thread titleand never went to it. So I know nothing of what you relate in that respect.

I do not feel that I harass anyone ... I merely discuss, defend and define my views. I have stated on several Posts that I understand other viewpoints and accept them even if I do not agree.

your "professed" innocence in regard to your post about squatting and pets is a bit hard for me to believe having read your other posts on other threads. If you were indeed just interested then I apologize. But your original Post does reek of cynicism.

There is no commitment involved to me ... only commitment to one's self and personal beliefs and like principles... along with a desire to be effective, true and to survive.

Hitler is very relevant, the Third Reich is, false flag events are, "treaties" are, political doublespeak is. totalitarianism is, propaganda is, Homeland whatever is etc etc. Your description re flowery speech can be applied to any of the recent presidents.

What do you pay income tax for do you think ? Do you know where the money is really spent or should I say goes??? What foreign enemies ? What about our more pressing domestic enemies ? I get no money from you or the government. You have to pay for Liberties ??? What about the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments ??? Is it possible to rent liberties ??? or take them out for a free "soaking period" ???

The strontium, aluminum and flouride and such are really effective are they not ?? Ta

PS Beware of radioactive worms.

#182759 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:39 pm
Planetguy wrote:down the same road once again i fear....


obama=socialism=hitler.....now where have i heard that stupid and baseless analogy before???? :roll:


President Obama is a minor player. Socialism, hitler. Redistribution of wealth, stealing, the great white nazi. Planet guy you are sounding more and more like a racist nazi with your own personal agenda.

Every post you write you defend with the vigor of someone that really doesn't give a damn about America. You are one selfish person because your ideals really don't give a damn about any one else. You have written the most selfish post's of any one up here. You attacked Vamp for using Talbots brothers murder as a political statement. You hypocrite, you turned around and did the very same thing in your attack on Vamp. He was only making a comment. You turned it into something way beyond!

You are a traitor to American values. You would never help out an an American fellow citizen. You are a gutless , spineless person.
I'm really saddened that some one as smart as you could be so stupid.

Sad, Sad, Sad.

Talbot, sorry about your brother,,, Life is short, and life is hard. Enjoy it while you can.
#182764 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:16 pm
Vampier wrote:...Yod ...excellent to hear from you. I hope your Concerts are going well and that you are in good "nic".

Thanks for your Post. At least I know that even if we flagerantly disagree with a topic ...there will not be any ridiculous hurling of insults. You are a True Gentleman and I thank you for being such.

Regarding my "Whack Nonsense" one thing is certain ... time will tell and if I am wrong about Netayahu's warmongering then I will apologize.



I will look forward to that!

Though we disagree on a few subjects, I can tell that we are both seeking the truth not published. You just aren't very well informed on Israel, and parrot the idiots who hate her in (possibly) innocent ignorance, imo.






He is not very popular in Israel and the current 60% of Israeli citizens who are against him is growing.



That isn't true! He enjoys his highest popularity ever right now.

Liberals hate him but they want him in office today because all the other leaders are weak on defense. Israel can't afford that even once, especially now with that short guy to the east of them calling for their annihilation.





The vast majority of "Arabs" (general term encompassing several countries including the short guys) all oppose The State of Israel, it's establishment on gifted stolen lands and it's inhuman treatment of the Palestinians which goes against the UN Charter and Treatie that Israel itself signed and "comitted" to. ...the hypocrisy re declating nuclear programs and weapons etc, etc. The list of their atrocities grows daily now even against their own citizens.




no offense intended....but that's just bullshit. Every single word of it. Stop listening to the BBC and al-Jazeera.

The complete truth and history is available but you evidently haven't looked at it.

Jews bought that land from the Ottoman Turks during the late 1800s when it was swamp and desert and NO ONE lived there. The "Palestinians" are almost all exclusively people who worked for those pioneers who reclaimed a barren land and turned it into the breadbasket of Europe.

You've swallowed the disinformation in an uncharacteristic way on this issue, bro.




Israels "neighbourhood wants" include Jerusalem, rebuilding the Temple and exterminating palestinians all fit quite well with the Apocalyptic Story related in the Bibles of the world.. Teenage girls are frequently raped and molested by their school mates, teachers, Priests, parents, public officials and businessmen and government officials ... not just because they are "cute" but because of the evil which now is man.


where are you getting such whack baloney?

Every citizen of Israel has compulsory military service. You try to rape an Israeli girl and she will feed your balls to the buzzards.




Do you really feel that the Israelis have always and are currently treating the Palestinians with Love and Respect ???


Arabs enjoy freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press in only one country of the middle east.

Israel


Israeli hospitals treat the arabs with the UTMOST of respect possible for people who are sworn to murder jewish children.





Take Care and Enjoy your Tour...I value your views always ... you are the real thing. Ta



Thanks bro, nothing but respect.


The French News Agency, Polish TV, and now Ma'ariv (Israel News Agency) are covering our events. Tomorrow the Israeli Ambassador, a Knesset member, and the Mayor of Warsaw will receive us.

That's just the bullet points. The content is much deeper than I want to get into at the moment.


check it out at:

marchoflife.org

#182769 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:38 pm
Vamp, this is one of the points we don't quite agree on. This is again one group of people being singled out.

I have many Jewish friends that voted for Obama because they believe he was the peaceful choice.
I don't understand it, I tried to explain. This whole Israeli issue will become a minor point.

No Body Gets it. All of you are being played like a fiddle.

WAKE THE **** UP!

#182772 by Cajundaddy
Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:45 pm
For an in-depth look at Israel, Palestine and all of the Middle East I recommend this book:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -of-hamas/

There is only one way out of this tangled mess and it's not war. Written by a guy who grew up at ground zero.

#182792 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:29 am
It won't be war???? This will become much bigger than just the middle east. The middle east may become a major obstacle to control of those resources. (oil). Maybe it will, to allow a small total destructive war of the people and religions in control now.

What was,was.... What it is,,, is yet to be seen.
Maybe it will be just as good that America won't be around to decide the fate of these people. Let the fun begin. :)

Notice I am not saying what is wrong or right. Just posing a different scenario.

#182793 by DainNobody
Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:40 am
I will sit and bide my time waiting for Yeshua's return..

#182796 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:05 am
Very interesting that you should state it as so.
First it will be all the Christians for Yeshua, then it will be all the Muslims for yeshua, then it will be all the Muslims, then it will be all the Jews for Yeshua, then it will be all the Jews.
At the end of the day it will just be soldiers in blue hats praying for the return of Yeshua, praying for a return.
Before they die.

Make it so Dane.

#182811 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:46 am
Thejohnny7band wrote:For an in-depth look at Israel, Palestine and all of the Middle East I recommend this book:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -of-hamas/

There is only one way out of this tangled mess and it's not war. Written by a guy who grew up at ground zero.




That guy was exposed as a fraud about a year ago. It was a cheap trick all along to divide churches over Israel.

You want to stop what's coming?

Demand that people respect life and speak the truth. Whoever isn't willing to do that is your enemy. It ain't Israel, but they aren't going to wait for Iran to nuke them because they've been threatened by much better before.

Can you tell me even one time that the muslims negotiating for "peace" have kept their word?

There is no such thing as peace with infidels; only "hudna" in Islam. Hudna is lying and pretending to be at peace until you are strong enough to kill your enemy. THey've been making agreements for more than 20 years now and haven't held up their end even once. How do you have peace with someone who says you don't have the right to breathe?

And our President is only making it worse by not being clear about American support. It is viewed in the arab world as the perfect time to attack Israel, which makes Israel more likely to pre-empt an Iranian/Syrian attack.

It will likely start in October while I'm there. Today, I'm headed to Warsaw. The last place Israel allowed themselves to be subjugated, and where they said "Never again".

#182817 by Cajundaddy
Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:59 am
yod wrote:
Thejohnny7band wrote:For an in-depth look at Israel, Palestine and all of the Middle East I recommend this book:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -of-hamas/

There is only one way out of this tangled mess and it's not war. Written by a guy who grew up at ground zero.




That guy was exposed as a fraud about a year ago. It was a cheap trick all along to divide churches over Israel.

You want to stop what's coming?

Demand that people respect life and speak the truth. Whoever isn't willing to do that is your enemy. It ain't Israel, but they aren't going to wait for Iran to nuke them because they've been threatened by much better before.

Can you tell me even one time that the muslims negotiating for "peace" have kept their word?

There is no such thing as peace with infidels; only "hudna" in Islam. Hudna is lying and pretending to be at peace until you are strong enough to kill your enemy. THey've been making agreements for more than 20 years now and haven't held up their end even once. How do you have peace with someone who says you don't have the right to breathe?

And our President is only making it worse by not being clear about American support. It is viewed in the arab world as the perfect time to attack Israel, which makes Israel more likely to pre-empt an Iranian/Syrian attack.

It will likely start in October while I'm there. Today, I'm headed to Warsaw. The last place Israel allowed themselves to be subjugated, and where they said "Never again".


Yod,
You must be confusing Yousef with someone else. I met this guy. He was born Muslim, indoctrinated into Hamas leadership and is one of the very few who left Islam and is still alive. He worked for Israeli Intelligence for 10 years and he is still VERY pro Israel. If you are truly interested in the dynamics of the Middle East, read his book and decide for yourself. Yep, the Middle East is complicated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosab_Hassan_Yousef

This is the only guy who "supposedly" discredited Yousef. It looks like he is the actual fraud:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat

#182821 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:51 am
I really hope you are right but I heard from friends in Israel that the whole thing ended up being a scam, and it was an intentional scam to try and separate christians who support Israel from the rest of the church.

I hope that I'm not passing a false rumor but the people who told me this are credible and close to the situation.

#182835 by Cajundaddy
Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:36 pm
yod wrote:I really hope you are right but I heard from friends in Israel that the whole thing ended up being a scam, and it was an intentional scam to try and separate christians who support Israel from the rest of the church.

I hope that I'm not passing a false rumor but the people who told me this are credible and close to the situation.


I think Yousef infuriated both Hamas and Shin Bet leadership by disclosing many of their methods and tactics to the world. I have seen no attempt by him to divide the church, rather he is consistently encouraging Christians here in the US to support Israel and free people who are trapped by Islam. In talking with him I believe his motives are sincere but as you know, there is no way to be certain. Within Islam, there are no rules. Jihadists will lie, cheat, steal, hide behind women and children, torture, rape, and murder at will. Anything goes as long as it is in the name of Allah. The Middle East is complicated.

Have a great tour Yod.

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