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The point being that there are more people working in gov than in the private sector and they do make more. It has nothing to do with anything but the bottom dollar. Their paid vacations, retirement (Some have said that they retire on 80-90% of their wage) their paid lifetime medical and other perks drawf what the chump in the private sector that is paying for all this get in the end.

Comparing Private Sector and Government Worker Salaries
Public sector offers ironclad job security and greater pension benefits

Adam Summers
May 10, 2010

There has been much debate over whether public sector employees are overpaid or underpaid, relative to their private sector counterparts, and how to make an "apples-to-apples" comparison of the compensation received by each since job functions are oftentimes quite different. The following seeks to address this issue in light of a new report that suggests that state and local government workers receive less total compensation than comparable private-sector workers, and to examine how issues not addressed in the study might affect those conclusions.

Are Public Sector Workers Overcompensated?

Several analyses of average wages and benefits in the public and private sectors reveal that state and local government workers earn more than private sector workers. According to the most recent Employer Costs for Employee Compensation survey from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of December 2009, state and local government employees earned total compensation of $39.60 an hour, compared to $27.42 an hour for private industry workers-a difference of over 44 percent. This includes 35 percent higher wages and nearly 69 percent greater benefits.

Data from the U.S. Census Bureau similarly show that in 2007 the average annual salary of a California state government employee was $53,958, nearly 32 percent greater than the average private sector worker ($40,991). In addition, as noted by reporter and Calpensions.com blogger Ed Mendel, in 2006 the state conducted a comparison of state and private sector compensation for the first time in two decades. While the Department of Personnel Administration survey did not include all job classifications, the analysis determined a number of benchmark job classifications and found that state compensation was greater than private sector compensation for clerical jobs, accountants, custodians, electricians, stationary engineers, and analysts, but lagged in medical occupations.

Moreover, data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis illustrate that average state and local government compensation has been increasing at a faster rate than average private sector compensation over the past 30 years (see the graph on page 89 of this Cato Journal article).

If we think about it...Every college that releases more grads...where is the first place they are starting to look for a job?

LOL, well the government is an equal opportunity employer!

I still wonder how Hooters gets away with the requirements for thier waitress's? I know there have been law suits.

Holy Smokes Bob! I deal with numerous U.S. Government Contracts... Some of those guys make a crap load of money...More than they deserve ... private firms work twice as hard as govt employees do... and many get paid much less

Prevost, If you are gonna challenge Slacker for facts, wouldn't it help if you brought your own facts to the table? How's your Job treating you... I assume you have one, right? Is it government? Its Not? OH...then what could you present here? Do you have friends with government jobs?

I didn't make the statement or challenge Slacker, I just asked for facts and resources to back up the statement ... I'm not a fan of broad statements, they generally contain little truth and much bios.

My job it treating me fine ... I'm an engineering consultant (self-employed) and I'm always busy ... thanks for asking.

Yes .. my wife works for Canada Post ... is that government enough for you.

Holy Smokes Bob! I deal with numerous U.S. Government Contracts... Some of those guys make a crap load of money...More than they deserve ... private firms work twice as hard as govt employees do... and many get paid much less

Prevost, If you are gonna challenge Slacker for facts, wouldn't it help if you brought your own facts to the table? How's your Job treating you... I assume you have one, right? Is it government? Its Not? OH...then what could you present here? Do you have friends with government jobs?

I didn't make the statement or challenge Slacker, I just asked for facts and resources to back up the statement ... I'm not a fan of broad statements, they generally contain little truth and much bios.

But ..but ...you just made a broad statement about broad statements

My job it treating me fine ... I'm an engineering consultant (self-employed) and I'm always busy ... thanks for asking.

Most admirable and good for you.

Yes .. my wife works for Canada Post ... is that government enough for you.

Indeed, it qualifies... In the US, a postal worker can earn close to 70K USD (at the back end of the tenure). Now, I'm not knocking the postal workers, or their jobs... But how precisely does a postal worker earn that, when there are software engineer/developers, R& D Lab Techs etc, who build valuable solutions / better mouse traps per se... and earn less than the postal workers (In US) ?
I think Slacker has posted some stats since this thread got started.

Indeed, it qualifies... In the US, a postal worker can earn close to 70K USD (at the back end of the tenure). Now, I'm not knocking the postal workers, or their jobs... But how precisely does a postal worker earn that, when there are software engineer/developers, R& D Lab Techs etc, who build valuable solutions / better mouse traps per se... and earn less than the postal workers (In US) ?
I think Slacker has posted some stats since this thread got started.

My wife makes about 60k ... I'd say that isn't a high wage ... it's a living wage, they have a union ... you don't. Also it's supply and demand ... the US has to much labor supply and little demand. A software engineers job in Canada with the right company and how good the eng. is, would be between 75 to 125K with benys. A lab tech is around 50K.

And of course we only pay around $60 per month each or $120 per house hold for HC ... no co-pays .. no payment for hospital stays ... no bankruptcies for having a major health problem ...

Indeed, it qualifies... In the US, a postal worker can earn close to 70K USD (at the back end of the tenure). Now, I'm not knocking the postal workers, or their jobs... But how precisely does a postal worker earn that, when there are software engineer/developers, R& D Lab Techs etc, who build valuable solutions / better mouse traps per se... and earn less than the postal workers (In US) ?
I think Slacker has posted some stats since this thread got started.

My wife makes about 60k ... I'd say that isn't a high wage ... it's a living wage, they have a union ... you don't. Also it's supply and demand ... the US has to much labor supply and little demand. A software engineers job in Canada with the right company and how good the eng. is, would be between 75 to 125K with benys. A lab tech is around 50K.

And of course we only pay around $60 per month each or $120 per house hold for HC ... no co-pays .. no payment for hospital stays ... no bankruptcies for having a major health problem ...

I'm curious - what is your personal and business tax rate there in Canada? I might consider moving to the land of many trees, although I don't know if the weather would be my cup of tea - I like it HOT for as many months out of the year as I can get!

Cheers!

oh, I found it! Still curious about the weather though.
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html

Just need to add the Three Stooges (Glenny, Jeff and ToiletPaperDog)

The day you can solo without staring down at the neck of your guitar and you can do it without being so intent on were your fingers are,,,, I might call you a guitarist.
I have seen your videos and you are a very fixated person. Do you watch your dick the same way when you get the chance to use it, or are you so afraid of making a mistake.

You are a really nasty pu**y. You are one really screwed up person. From your photos you possibly are suffering from many conditions. Acne, stupidity, and even worse, a bad case of the nasties.

Denny

You are correct, govt employees per se do NOT outnumber private sector workers. They a cushy deal though - better than most. Congress creeps and similar ranked swine get cadillac health care AND are not required to obey the regulations they pass. They are disgusting.

Next you add in the welfare class - 43 million on foodstamps and the govt pigs are actually using my money to advertise, trying to get more people on foodstamps. Welfare is out of control as is disability and unemployment.

Add all that together with the Federal workers and you get 50 % of the US population. Hold your breath and remind yourself that doesn't include the many state govt workers.

Take a valuim now and remember, youi can sign on for anger management classes on line these days.

Conclusion:

All the folks I've mentioned get some of our money - since they are receiving a paycheck one could streEEEEEEEEEEEEEtch it a bit and say
"Yeah - govt 'workers' outnumber private sector."

Talbot

Who am I?

I was a serial tax raiser. As governor “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, I raised taxes in seven of my eight years in office,” including four times in just two years.
______ the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.



I gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. I signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.

I grew the size of the federal government tremendously. I promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under me. I bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. I promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. I also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

I nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During my years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” I enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and I had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, I was never able to get the deficit under control.

To some he is the greatest President of our time but if you didn't know Reagan did these things you probably would've assumed it was done by a lib.

Good Grief!

That was the feller some conservatives call Ronaldus Magnus.

Actually, they've all been skunks in my lifetime with the possible exception of Ike.

But dammit - at least Reagan had style and he was a man. The clowns who followed him, both parties, have been pathetic. I think that is how the NWO mocks us - giving us figureheads who obviously wouldn't cut it in a real world situation.

Talbot

That was the feller some conservatives call Ronaldus Magnus.

Actually, they've all been skunks in my lifetime with the possible exception of Ike.

But dammit - at least Reagan had style and he was a man. The clowns who followed him, both parties, have been pathetic. I think that is how the NWO mocks us - giving us figureheads who obviously wouldn't cut it in a real world situation.


Talbot

So what you're saying is as long as he looks good it won't hurt as much.

Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted. Alex Seitz-Wald

The funny thing to me is all the Conservatives and Rep. that will scream to high heaven as Obama does some of the same things yet were complacent during Reagan's years. I guess poison is only good when administered by your guy.
You're right Mike they're all the same. Regardless of party affiliation.

You can't hide the truth with a happy song!

The economy is cyclical regardless of the party in power. In the 1970's we had gas shortages but everyone worked and times were pretty good. By 1981 the party was over, and it took much of the rest of the decade to recover. The 90's were very good for most people, but by the turn of the century the economy "readjusted" again. But we're on our way up again, as long as you're not lazy and have some skills to offer. Michigan is starting to boom again, but the problem is a lot of the talented people gave up and left the state. As an example, there is an automotive engineering firm here that just hired 50 people, but they need 50 more and can't find qualified people. My company needs people in almost every department but we're having problems finding qualified people. The jobs are out there, but if you have no skills or experience it seems like the economy is stagnant.

Jahva

Reagan truly did inherit a mess from that clown Carter - the latter is probably very happy with Obama - he is now SECOND worst president in the history of the country. By the end of Reagans term we were looking a bit better.

But I admit - I knew I was screwed when my ballot for Reagan was in both English and Spanish. Yessir, he was going to get rid of the Dept of Education (mass indoctrination), cut taxes and stop abortion.

Still waiting...

Talbot

Mike all I can say is... read the above. I'm not makin that chit up.

Indeed, it qualifies... In the US, a postal worker can earn close to 70K USD (at the back end of the tenure). Now, I'm not knocking the postal workers, or their jobs... But how precisely does a postal worker earn that, when there are software engineer/developers, R& D Lab Techs etc, who build valuable solutions / better mouse traps per se... and earn less than the postal workers (In US) ?
I think Slacker has posted some stats since this thread got started.

My wife makes about 60k ... I'd say that isn't a high wage ... it's a living wage, they have a union ... you don't. Also it's supply and demand ... the US has to much labor supply and little demand. A software engineers job in Canada with the right company and how good the eng. is, would be between 75 to 125K with benys. A lab tech is around 50K.

And of course we only pay around $60 per month each or $120 per house hold for HC ... no co-pays .. no payment for hospital stays ... no bankruptcies for having a major health problem ...

Yeah Canada has the best HC system in the world. If you have a heart attack and you need a stent you are placed on a waiting list that may take 3 or 4 months.

I wonder why so many wealthy Canadiens cross the border with cash in hand instead of waiting to die.

We have been through this before Prevost.. Your system sucks and you are applauding Americans for accepting the same liberal control of the few over the many. Good luck man,,, I hope you don't ever need the care you have been promised.