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The basis of the Vampire is the basis of mankind ... Blood. Blood is the Life. This simple statement encompasses much ... DNA ...heredity ...potential ...disease ...spirituality ...so many elements found in every aspect of not only mankind's existence but that of many othe life forms. The relationship of Blood and Water is undeniable. There is a kind of sacred eternal and all encompassing quality about both Blood and Water. Ta

"Drinking the blood of Christ is completely metaphoric and symbolic, but nevertheless completely vampiric. . . drinking the blood of the master to attain his blessing and God's blessing, opening the door to immortality and by this achieving eternal life . . ." - taken from the 'Asetian Bible'

It is rather the prana/life force/ka/chi present in the bloodstream that is what is of interest here. Due to the bloodstream's close alignment with the meridian system, it is abundant in prana/life force.

The process of vampire transformation involves the instant when the consciousness separates from the body. Consciousness is divided into two separate states, or entities.

The first state in this division of consciousness is called by the Egyptians as the "Ba" (soul). This is the aspect of consciousness that reincarnates. The Ba separates from consciousness at the moment of death and goes back into the well of souls to be reborn again. The Ba never dies, it reincarnates and continues its sacred pilgrimage towards total illumination.

The second aspect of this great separation at death is named the "Ka". The Ka is the part of the human consciousness that remains here on Earth. It is perceived as the "ghost" or psychic residue of the previous conscious being. It is the spirit. It is the part of us that has a connection with the place that the physical body lived, with the objects it possessed, with the people that it knew. It literally haunts the place of its life forever.

The Ka then is the aspect of consciousness that is left when the Ba, or animating force, departs the physical body. It is the shadow, or remaining psychic imprint, of soul consciousness, or the "spirit" which haunts a place, that occupies illusory heavens and hells, that may relive its own human life over and over for eternity.

Certain rituals were designed to keep the Ka inside the tomb and to make sure that it would not be released back into the world to become a phantom or ghost. If one were successful in accomplishing this then the BA would also be freed from the realm of incarnation. The BA would then be able to pass into many different realms of the afterlife at will. This science reunited the essence of the Ka and the Ba at the moment of death in a way so that they would not separate.

If you are able to successfully separate the Ba from your Ka and remain in a physical form you will have succeeded in transforming yourself into a vampire. It is a condition of the soul, the separation of the Ba / soul from the Ka / spirit. It requires what is called the Second Death or Spiritual Death to take place.

This procedure is well documented in the Coffin Texts of Egyptian Pharaoh King Unas.


Ir Shti Shta-tu
EM

"Drinking the blood of Christ is completely metaphoric and symbolic, but nevertheless completely vampiric. . . drinking the blood of the master to attain his blessing and God's blessing, opening the door to immortality and by this achieving eternal life . . ." - taken from the 'Asetian Bible'

This seems to be the general practice even in Catholic Communion.

It is rather the prana/life force/ka/chi present in the bloodstream that is what is of interest here. Due to the bloodstream's close alignment with the meridian system, it is abundant in prana/life force.

There is no evidence to support this. These 'forces' , Like many Christian tenets, are intangibles, with absolutely no proof to back them.

The process of vampire transformation involves the instant when the consciousness separates from the body. Consciousness is divided into two separate states, or entities.

Again, there is no way to support this... Dual Consciences...why not 50 discernible consciences?

The first state in this division of consciousness is called by the Egyptians as the "Ba" (soul). This is the aspect of consciousness that reincarnates. The Ba separates from consciousness at the moment of death and goes back into the well of souls to be reborn again. The Ba never dies, it reincarnates and continues its sacred pilgrimage towards total illumination.

This according to some mortal person...or is the origin of this as mythical as the postulate here.? Reincarnation? really? What will we come back as? A cat?

The second aspect of this great separation at death is named the "Ka". The Ka is the part of the human consciousness that remains here on Earth. It is perceived as the "ghost" or psychic residue of the previous conscious being. It is the spirit. It is the part of us that has a connection with the place that the physical body lived, with the objects it possessed, with the people that it knew. It literally haunts the place of its life forever.

Seems to parallel the fables about the Resurrection of Christ, the holy spirit and what not... always about us, and can be found in places of holy worhip... Again, nothing...Nada... El Zilcho support to back this assertion of 'KA' up. Just cause its Egyptian...doesn't lend anything to it.

The Ka then is the aspect of consciousness that is left when the Ba, or animating force, departs the physical body. It is the shadow, or remaining psychic imprint, of soul consciousness, or the "spirit" which haunts a place, that occupies illusory heavens and hells, that may relive its own human life over and over for eternity.

Sounds like Jung To me... Not sure his outdated psychology applies anymore.

Certain rituals were designed to keep the Ka inside the tomb and to make sure that it would not be released back into the world to become a phantom or ghost. If one were successful in accomplishing this then the BA would also be freed from the realm of incarnation. The BA would then be able to pass into many different realms of the afterlife at will. This science reunited the essence of the Ka and the Ba at the moment of death in a way so that they would not separate.

Such rituals were obviously a waste of time... baseless from the beginning.

If you are able to successfully separate the Ba from your Ka and remain in a physical form you will have succeeded in transforming yourself into a vampire. It is a condition of the soul, the separation of the Ba / soul from the Ka / spirit. It requires what is called the Second Death or Spiritual Death to take place.

This procedure is well documented in the Coffin Texts of Egyptian Pharaoh King Unas.

Nice to know. But, Bela Lugosi just followed a script.



Sorry ETU, I simply could not resist... I guess we all have our system of belief and we all buy into something. I only mention this, because at times, I have felt scoffed when I issue my beliefs. I believe you once used the phrase: "Proselytized". I see a striking similarity here, albeit, yours comes about more passively here.

"Drinking the blood of Christ is completely metaphoric and symbolic, but nevertheless completely vampiric. . . drinking the blood of the master to attain his blessing and God's blessing, opening the door to immortality and by this achieving eternal life . . ." - taken from the 'Asetian Bible'

This seems to be the general practice even in Catholic Communion.

It is rather the prana/life force/ka/chi present in the bloodstream that is what is of interest here. Due to the bloodstream's close alignment with the meridian system, it is abundant in prana/life force.

There is no evidence to support this. These 'forces' , Like many Christian tenets, are intangibles, with absolutely no proof to back them.

The process of vampire transformation involves the instant when the consciousness separates from the body. Consciousness is divided into two separate states, or entities.

Again, there is no way to support this... Dual Consciences...why not 50 discernible consciences?

The first state in this division of consciousness is called by the Egyptians as the "Ba" (soul). This is the aspect of consciousness that reincarnates. The Ba separates from consciousness at the moment of death and goes back into the well of souls to be reborn again. The Ba never dies, it reincarnates and continues its sacred pilgrimage towards total illumination.

This according to some mortal person...or is the origin of this as mythical as the postulate here.? Reincarnation? really? What will we come back as? A cat?

The second aspect of this great separation at death is named the "Ka". The Ka is the part of the human consciousness that remains here on Earth. It is perceived as the "ghost" or psychic residue of the previous conscious being. It is the spirit. It is the part of us that has a connection with the place that the physical body lived, with the objects it possessed, with the people that it knew. It literally haunts the place of its life forever.

Seems to parallel the fables about the Resurrection of Christ, the holy spirit and what not... always about us, and can be found in places of holy worhip... Again, nothing...Nada... El Zilcho support to back this assertion of 'KA' up. Just cause its Egyptian...doesn't lend anything to it.

The Ka then is the aspect of consciousness that is left when the Ba, or animating force, departs the physical body. It is the shadow, or remaining psychic imprint, of soul consciousness, or the "spirit" which haunts a place, that occupies illusory heavens and hells, that may relive its own human life over and over for eternity.

Sounds like Jung To me... Not sure his outdated psychology applies anymore.

Certain rituals were designed to keep the Ka inside the tomb and to make sure that it would not be released back into the world to become a phantom or ghost. If one were successful in accomplishing this then the BA would also be freed from the realm of incarnation. The BA would then be able to pass into many different realms of the afterlife at will. This science reunited the essence of the Ka and the Ba at the moment of death in a way so that they would not separate.

Such rituals were obviously a waste of time... baseless from the beginning.

If you are able to successfully separate the Ba from your Ka and remain in a physical form you will have succeeded in transforming yourself into a vampire. It is a condition of the soul, the separation of the Ba / soul from the Ka / spirit. It requires what is called the Second Death or Spiritual Death to take place.

This procedure is well documented in the Coffin Texts of Egyptian Pharaoh King Unas.

Nice to know. But, Bela Lugosi just followed a script.



Sorry ETU, I simply could not resist... I guess we all have our system of belief and we all buy into something. I only mention this, because at times, I have felt scoffed when I issue my beliefs. I believe you once used the phrase: "Proselytized". I see a striking similarity here, albeit, yours comes about more passively here.

LOL . . . you really don't think I believe any of that crap, did you?

Although there is quite a lot of scientific and psychological evidence that shows there 'is' such a thing as prana

here is one article: http://www.qigongchinesehealth.com/chi

Seems to parallel the fables about the Resurrection of Christ, the holy spirit and what not

Since the Egyptian religion is 1,000's of years older than Christianity, it would be the other way around.

The basis of the Vampire is the basis of mankind ... Blood. Blood is the Life. This simple statement encompasses much ... DNA ...heredity ...potential ...disease ...spirituality ...so many elements found in every aspect of not only mankind's existence but that of many othe life forms. The relationship of Blood and Water is undeniable. There is a kind of sacred eternal and all encompassing quality about both Blood and Water. Ta

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one?s life.


Leviticus 17:14
because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, ?You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.?


Deuteronomy 12:23
But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat.

...1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record (or witness) the spirit and the water and the blood.

Everyone which possesses Spirit or Soul experiences the incarnation of ego. Life is wonderful and fascinates. One absorbs all and it's symbols with the innocence of a child and yet even knowing the names of many such symbols most can not use them.

We are symbols within ourselves and we often inhabit symbols. The onset of the consciousness of our own ego recapulates the "Fall". With ego our self witnesses the destruction of the "Eden" of our personal innocence. As Artists we become infatuated with emblems and symbols sympathizing with them. We strive to become expert in their usage and by an ulterior intellectual perception we give them somehow power.

This Power is much the same as the organic power of blood. The old and ancient usage of this power of the blood has been made to be largely forgotten. Such knowledge can put sight and tongue to every blind and dumb spirit. But this must happen before the onset of ego. This is what enables the Artist to percieve the independence of thought upon the symbol and thus one;s ego provides the stability of such thought. In this manner ego is related to thought and symbol ...through accidency fugacity.

Symbols become reality whilst Spirit becomes a "web of unreality" which most are conditioned to avoid. The Mystic is immune and most Artists are in some greater or lesser extent. In this way those things which are proclaimed occult and spiritual are taken in error by most and named the "darkness' of the world. It is but a small step for this to be accepted ... To think is to sin. Hoe is it then that from "being" and "nothing" the world was made and then wove itself into a semblance ... the web of unreality ? Semblance is only thought by most to be "good" when it is somehow grounded in "reality". But one does dream in the life of semblance and then semblance becoming known by semblance fades away.

In music the Artists individual conciousness seems to unite with the collective consciousness of humanity. The downside of this is that one may experience a universal pain which far exceeds one's personal allotment. The upside is that this may be converted to be deep and transformative... Death/Rebirth ... a spiritual initiation. Blood is the physical conduit. The ego's struggle is thusly not traumatized by suffication and claustrophobia. This is the source of either transcendental creative experience or extreme pain or sometimes both.

more to follow ........Ta

..Mankind has now been "conditioned" purposefully by a very few to experience matter devoid of spirit and consequently has developed the destructive habit of concieving spirit as less real and eventually altogether unreal. Ancient man was far more advanced in this respect. Hence man has lost his humanity.

To the Artist meeting one's muse references inspiration ... the ability to access interior secrets and manifest them in the physical expression. Unfortunately now inspiration is equated with the fortuitous accumulation of false wealth. Blood possesses a childlike terror for most now. If any of these almost spiritless "modern" masses were actually capable of seeing what would be percieved as a ghost, they would shudder or scream, then deny what they truly witnessed ... claiming it was "unreal".

Ideas and thought forms are not merely the result of one's physical brain. They are created energies that give birth to and always precede their physical manifestation. Much power comes from this understanding ... Blood Sacrifice is an excellent example. The sacrifice of innocents either either man or animal ... the Ritual "spilling" of blood is considered by some as the highest expression of will within the divine or spiritual nature of things. 911 was merely such a sacrifice perpetrated by the "masters" behind the veil and curtain ... those who order the strings to be pulled.

"When the will has become capable of making the "great sacrifice", it actually creates a universe, great or small, whose mission is bestowed upon it by it's creator. Such is the creative will in the "Divine Being".
Rudolf Steiner

When the spirit of an Artist has ripened with knowledge and thought nature detaches leaving the "self" which devoid of time becomes fearless, often sleepless ... clad with wings emerging from the virtue of soul. Such wings can carry one fast and far and enable the Artist to infix his thoughts into the very hearts of men.

The "Emanation" involves great sacrifice in which one "gives up" their entire being to the "image" which they create in order to imbue it with life and conciousness. This is as looking into a mirror and imagining yourself being "reflected" on the opposite side ... then imagining yourself dying and sacrificing your existence to inject life into the image.

Metaphor is often misunderstood. It is not only a figure of speech comparing two unrelated subjects ... it is more importantly a form of higher cognition. Te higher concepts shown in this manner can noy be stated in familiar languages. They are virtually "un-named" and not definable with words. Music however can incarnate them through skilled manipulations of integral and natural concepts ... ie blood, water etc. Ego is always a part of this. More often this ego is of "earthly" experience combined with "higher" archetypes that weave into existence.

We now at this moment stand within the doorway of both a dying world and a new one ... the merging of creation ... death and rebirth. It is a very special and rare time. In order to "exist" within this next world we must incarnate our being within a higher spirituality. Otherwise we shall remain simply as man the animal. We are within the "Sunset" now. When the "Sunrise" happens mand the animal will be soaking with blood ...wading through it's flow ... blinded by it. Blood is the Life ... let it seep you up and feel it's magic. Let your ego grow and develop conciousnes in the spiritual world. Disperse the dark material thoughts or they will seize you and drive the "self" into animal darkness.

Next BLOOD and MUSIC Ta

Here's the rub . . . 4000 BC the idea of a God was invented with the story of Gilgamesh, perpetuated with Egyptian Cosmology, and finally delivered to us in the myth of the Abrahamic faiths.

The sooner we come to this understanding the quicker we can go on with our Spiritual evolution.

You sound like an artistic cult after reading your profile.
"Awakened" "gather" "see the writing on the wall"
spiritual like native Americans -- Symphony for blood -- Army of seven
Bridge between this dying age and the birth of the next -- These moments are the last


These words sound nuts. What the hell are you talking about.[/b]

I suspect we'll be seeing more of this as we get closer to 12-21-12 or whatever the most special of special days is...
meh...

There is a cartoon circulating where there isd a picture of ancient south american indian and the caption reades like: So, Dick Clark and Rockin Eve...dies in the same year of 12-21-12...? Well played Mayans, Well played...

Here's the rub . . . 4000 BC the idea of a God was invented with the story of Gilgamesh, perpetuated with Egyptian Cosmology, and finally delivered to us in the myth of the Abrahamic faiths.

The sooner we come to this understanding the quicker we can go on with our Spiritual evolution.

Why would anyone ever need to abandoned any convictions whatsoever in order to embrace Spiritual evolution... In my universe, you can throw all the boxes and paradigms you want at me...You can dispute or uphold all the boxes and paradigms I currently possess or discard...But how does any of this stop or prevent me from engaging spiritual evolution? Please show me the "rules" on this assumption .

I have a personal relationship with the "myth", and I can't fathom "life" any other way.

But I do not ever find reason to condemn others for what they believe. He who receives a prophet receives that prophets reward. That in itself is enough. Some men choose what to believe, others have their beliefs thrust upon them. I have been in both arenas.

I asked the "Myth" to reveal himself to me if He was real. He did. Simple as that for me.

Here's the rub . . . 4000 BC the idea of a God was invented with the story of Gilgamesh, perpetuated with Egyptian Cosmology, and finally delivered to us in the myth of the Abrahamic faiths.

The sooner we come to this understanding the quicker we can go on with our Spiritual evolution.

Why would anyone ever need to abandoned any convictions whatsoever in order to embrace Spiritual evolution... In my universe, you can throw all the boxes and paradigms you want at me...You can dispute or uphold all the boxes and paradigms I currently possess or discard...But how does any of this stop or prevent me from engaging spiritual evolution? Please show me the "rules" on this assumption .

It may not prevent you or I, but tell me you can look around and not see how it has prevented the majority of the world from engaging?

I agree with you for the most part, by the way.

Here's the rub . . . 4000 BC the idea of a God was invented with the story of Gilgamesh, perpetuated with Egyptian Cosmology, and finally delivered to us in the myth of the Abrahamic faiths.

The sooner we come to this understanding the quicker we can go on with our Spiritual evolution.

Why would anyone ever need to abandoned any convictions whatsoever in order to embrace Spiritual evolution... In my universe, you can throw all the boxes and paradigms you want at me...You can dispute or uphold all the boxes and paradigms I currently possess or discard...But how does any of this stop or prevent me from engaging spiritual evolution? Please show me the "rules" on this assumption .

when ever I read what you write, I am reminded of this quote by Abraham Lincoln;

"I do not like that man, I really must get to know him better."

Here's the rub . . . 4000 BC the idea of a God was invented with the story of Gilgamesh, perpetuated with Egyptian Cosmology, and finally delivered to us in the myth of the Abrahamic faiths.

The sooner we come to this understanding the quicker we can go on with our Spiritual evolution.

Why would anyone ever need to abandoned any convictions whatsoever in order to embrace Spiritual evolution... In my universe, you can throw all the boxes and paradigms you want at me...You can dispute or uphold all the boxes and paradigms I currently possess or discard...But how does any of this stop or prevent me from engaging spiritual evolution? Please show me the "rules" on this assumption .

It may not prevent you or I, but tell me you can look around and not see how it has prevented the majority of the world from engaging?

I agree with you for the most part, by the way.

ETU, One thing I have learned, about life on Earth, is that nothing on it... or in it... is really that important. (Aside from the human existence and a certain journey it has taken on)

Humanity will always be inclined to assign some trophy or prize at the 'end' of its journey.

It gets tricky... because no one can precisely define what the 'journey' is, what it is for, and to what end it persists.

When people accept that there is a journey (albeit ill-defined), It gets trickier to convince them that there is an 'end' to that journey...implying it is a 'one-shot' proposition. (A hard idea to swallow, for many) Then, people are hard pressed to readily accept a definition of the 'prize', which presumably comes at the end of the Journey.

I wont even go into the plethora of writings which claim that the plane of existence is anything other than 'real'

But the journey and the prize are so inadequately defined that Humanity has taken to conducting warfare to resolve these questions (Rationalists/peace makers not withstanding)

HOW do we Identify and define the Journey?

1) We are the only mobile/rationale beings on the planet (fully evident) ...implying that we are built for a journey. Since by definition, a journey has a starting point and an end point, and that it must be recognized, traversed and completed to realize the full scope between the points.

2) The discussion from Vampier's "EGO' post...illustrates "self-justification" (or more to the point , beings of "Purpose"). Traversal through anything, necessarily is invoked by sense of purpose, otherwise 'scope' would simply have no meaning. Note that "sense of purpose" is not the same as actual purpose itself. However, in this case, does actual purpose manifest itself through the mere presence and existence of humanity? I think so.

3) The law of Purpose (My definition to illustrate and segueway into the prize def) ) suggests that a singular point is inevitably determined and arrived upon, in order to obtain all the points that await us thereafter.. Take for example a trip to the grocery store... We go there for the purpose of obtaining a pound of butter, and we come home with added benefit of a six-pack of beer, chips, steaks and taters...
Note that without an original purpose, there would have been no journey to the store at all... Had we died before we realized our need for the butter, , there would never be any sense of original purpose, and therefore, no actual purpose would ensue. Therefore, LIFE its self IS connected to actual purpose.

We can state that our lives typically operate around a series of purposes, transposed from incentives, needs, desires. A journey is a necessary function of our lives.

How do we Identify the Prize?

Funny thing about bringing home a six pack when you went out for the butter... There is always one member of the family who wont like or appreciate your choice of brand.

If your brand is Lucifer, and my brand is Christ, and If I don't like your brand...then I have no business partaking in the rewards or being on 'your' journey... Vice versa...

Wars are started...not always because of different prizes in mind, but most likely because one attempts to impose ones own journey onto to another's foot. When such attempts are made, one person is effectively invalidating the other person's sense of purpose. .... One nation does this to another nation and so on (Its why we both detest the proselytizing from various religious groups.)

Now, to answer your question...when I look around me, I see a lot of people on their own journey... Many belong to a travelers group (Aka Insert religion here) . The important thing here..is not whether they are engaged in spiritual evolution, but rather ..are they engaged in a journey. None of us can speak to actual purpose, but many of us feel there is a prize at the end...and who are we to judge that..as long as such prize is equitable and not a diminisher of human life (AKA death- hence anti-purpose, Anti Life))