JCP61 wrote:PaperDog wrote:
The formation (and movement) of gangs has become formidable in America and probably irreversible, thanks to the denial of law enforcement to view gangs as anything other than 'criminal'. (I.e. Evidence of this denial can be seen in how the Feds /States battled it out over the treatment of terrorist prisoners).
For years, American gangs have been infiltrated with foreign nationals, who are basically murderers and thieves of the worst kind (and essentially, rejects from their own homeland) ... For example, MS13 , a South American Latino gang, is responsible for copious amounts of gang/civilian murders in the U.S. (Funny how America always has the losers thrown at it...what we call immigration) That gang dominates many of the urban environments, nation wide. Then, we have..Counter-Gang gangs... In the Midwest /east coast, we have some home-grown wicked biker gangs... It aint pretty when those guys get on a spree. They are ruthless toward other gangs...(i.e Turf wars)
The government upholds the criminal/'Gang' definition of its affairs, in order to quell any notion that an organized militia has emerged. But at the end of the day, We are the only nation in the world where its prison system has become the HQ hub of gang operations AKA militia operations.
Our Constitution prevents us from lining them up and killing them on site. However, Enforcers of the constitution dont seem to have any problem fleecing its own good citizens to pay for that Prison system...
I couldn't agree more,
but the question is, can and or will, the citizenry of them selves without the assistance of the state confront these groups with armed force?
doesn't seem to be any evidence of that.
I gave this some thought, and I have come up with two possible routes that ordinary citizens will ultimately be faced with.
1)
[b]The Cerebral Method: [/b]Currently , Americans are caught up in a battle of information (aka Info Wars). In this scenario, citizens gravitate toward technologies to leverage and advance their own causes. If a gang member is capable of hacking into my PC, and lifting my ID info... the logical re-course would be to trace his action back to him, and notify authorities with the evidence. However, If I should opt to instead, simply trace back to the perp, and proceed to fry his machine beyond repair... I have essentially won a battle through information/technology (and also have effectively waged an info war on a gang) . Unfortunately , Most Americans are ill- equipped to battle the criminals via an Info war. As with weapons, Our government intercedes and circumvents us from having full knowledge of the Gangs, and for that matter, the technology that safely drives the acquisition of information on gangs.
2)
[b]The Brute Force Method[/b]. Bloodshed, plain and simple. Access to weapons is paramount to that... And right now, Criminals have that access... Civilians have it to minor extent , but the bureaucratic steps to obtain weapons is nothing less than another barrier... to access and take re-course against criminals.
Our prison system demonstrates copious amounts of incarceration via Intell collection. Your privacy has been pawned off by the Gov, in exchange for the assurance that a SWAT team can avail itself against any person(s) who are summarily deemed a threat by analysts (Spawned by the wealthy) . Analysts uses Cameras, Sound recordings and eye-witness testimonies to build their cases . This is what a Back-fire of that system looks like... ":
A man is taped, walking into a bank lobby. He produces a gun and fires a round and someone off-screen... The tape goes blank and sits there in queue. Meanwhile, Police are called to a bank robbery, which happens to be the same bank this man was taped and seen walking in. The police interview witnesses , process two dead bodies ...( a Security guard and some guy in a ski mask...) Where is the third man on the tape? The police eventually Identify and arrest him... He sits in Jail as a suspect for 72 hours, until an attorney arrives and explains to the police that the man in the tape was a bank Patron, who was defending himself against the guy in the ski-mask. For the next 4 years, that guy will be subject to questioning, deposition under the accusation of murder (2nd Degree) and charged with Weapons Possession felonies as well...
By now, you can see what the real crime is.
The bank Robber was trying to feed his family, the Man on the tape was trying to protect himself, the Security Guard died in the line of duty.
In this scenario, the Governments insistence to be the sole law enforcer, has obviously failed... going back to the guy that was just trying to feed his family, but who was taxed relentlessly, blocked from certain opportunities, and cast out of the ring of wealthy 'good-ole boys' . The security guard Failed to do his job...obviously... Typically guys who work as security guards are not that dedicated. (Albeit they are working for an honest wage) . Alas the security guard is the result of the government's demand for the lowest bidders... Finally, the citizen who protected himself, and is quelled by attornies to not speak of the case... during litigation.
The real crime here, is the assumption that our technology is correct and adequate for Law/judicial process... It is not. Our constitution is getting buried with Technical manual inserts... It will be a harsh awakening when we discover that life does not come with a re-boot button