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#165608 by PaperDog
Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:40 am
Airweavers wrote:
J-HALEY wrote: i'll just see where the song takes me.


Same here. I've found that letting the song go where IT wants to ends up far better than trying to drive it where I want it to go. The latter is a big mistake. That'll make even what might have been a great song a mediocre or even a horrible one. Considering most songs even a good writer writes are usually mediocre, but not necessarily bad, think what trying to drive every song where you want it to go would do to the vast majority of them.

Can you say, "sh*t pile?"


Air, I think that both approaches are equally valid... For example, You remember the old classic, "Stairway to Heaven"? That song was described by Jimmy page as one of those nice ditties that organically unfolded into a great song .. Nobody forced it...it just sort of came about after many hours of playing around with it at the home of one the members...... Keep in mind, it had no deliberate agenda driving it...(other than it had to be musically sound and commercially viable). Now, there was another old Song , kind of classic in its own right : " Live and Let Die". That song was deliberate agenda, and purposely composed to portray an underlying spy drama. By design, it had to be delivered with the effect in mind...

In each case, the songs were creative and great in their own way... While they differed in approach and style, they did share some common attributes: They both told distinct stories, and they both followed standard formats. Pretty amazing how the boundaries of that frame work, lent to creative results.

#165624 by Lynard Dylan
Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:50 pm
I didn't even read the thread Joseph6
Styx, bwahahahah, how lame are you.
Probably a bass player. You know how they
separate the men from the boys in WV?
With a crowbar.

#165654 by Shapeshifter
Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:15 pm
Paperdog, That is a fantastic example. Early on, I wrote much more from the 1st style you mentioned-letting the song go where it will. Nowadays, I tend to have a much more developed theme working, although I leave a little space to take it in another direction if it veers that way. And I think you hit upon a major point: boundaries. I changed my approach a few years ago, and began writing more along the lines of a concept album. By tying several songs together in that way, you place limits on what you can do-in a good way. And, if you write something that is really good, but not fitting within the concept, you still have a good song. I'm probably rambling... :lol:

#165658 by PaperDog
Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:47 pm
joseph6 wrote:Paperdog, That is a fantastic example. Early on, I wrote much more from the 1st style you mentioned-letting the song go where it will. Nowadays, I tend to have a much more developed theme working, although I leave a little space to take it in another direction if it veers that way. And I think you hit upon a major point: boundaries. I changed my approach a few years ago, and began writing more along the lines of a concept album. By tying several songs together in that way, you place limits on what you can do-in a good way. And, if you write something that is really good, but not fitting within the concept, you still have a good song. I'm probably rambling... :lol:


Joseph, you nailed it... and no, you aren't rambling... :)

Also, Please allow me take advantage of an opportunity here... Since Lynard has ignored me, .... let me just pass this message on to him LOL!

Lynard...STFU!, Nobody here cares how bad your pu**y hurts.... LOL!

#165659 by PaperDog
Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:48 pm
Lynard Dylan wrote:I didn't even read the thread Joseph6
Styx, bwahahahah, how lame are you.
Probably a bass player. You know how they
separate the men from the boys in WV?
With a crowbar.


In your case, they only need to use tweezers.

#165660 by Shapeshifter
Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:57 pm
...

...(I was just going to pretend he wasn't there...).



:lol:

#165662 by PaperDog
Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:01 pm
joseph6 wrote:...

...(I was just going to pretend he wasn't there...).



:lol:


Ha ha! We know he's reading every last syllable of it! ;)

#165668 by AyrTrayn
Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:43 pm

Good to see some folks still around.
I never sit down and try to write music it just happens. I love sus chords on the acoustic I like to flatpick.
Styx first show I took my little sister Grand Illusion then years later took my son to see them when he was 13 lol 2nd time they had a different Key Board Player. Warm up was Eddie Money , Then REO, Styx Charlotte NC.
Took him a couple months later to Roger Waters. He discovered my collection of cassette tapes when he was young .................so I find out years later .

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