General Music Chat

In every population you have individuals who do things that are not acceptable. In this day and age of instant news reporting you have to be extra careful not to do things you may later regret. Even though we all support our troops, we cannot support those who do these types of things. They must be receive a court martial and be given a dishonorable discharge.

The UN did the policing. I guess you just forgot about all the "UN" inspectors and sanction violations. HOW convenient. You better start taking your vitamins, or get a doctorate in rewriting history to suit the liberal agenda. I love guys like you, great players, but you can't remember which hand to wipe your asses with.

Glenn, I remember the UN inspectors involvement. I also remember specifically that they didn't have nearly enough time to do their jobs once they got into Iraq and that Bush/Cheney rushed us to war on false pretenses. I remember Saddam stonewalling, but he was just being a prick. Eventually the inspectors got in, weren't given enough time by the Bush administration, and were told to get out because we were invading Iraq based on false/bad intelligence and a concocted connection to Al-Quada.

And the 9/11 report bore that out. There weren't any WMD's in Iraq and Bush/Cheney concocted the whole false Al-Quada-is-in-Iraq connection so they could pray on the hearts of Americans who wanted vengeance for what had been done. It was all deliberately created lies to justify going to war in Iraq.

The whole thing was handled horribly.

What would have happened if the UN inspectors finished their tasks and reported that there were no WMD's in Iraq? Suddenly one of the Bush administration's biggest reasons for invading Iraq goes away. It makes it that much harder for them to justify going to war. I think that was what the Bush administration was afraid of, because without just cause they couldn't start their war and all those good old boys weren't going to make bank with their Haliburton contracts.

Bravo Chris for keepin' it real.

The UN did the policing. I guess you just forgot about all the "UN" inspectors and sanction violations. HOW convenient. You better start taking your vitamins, or get a doctorate in rewriting history to suit the liberal agenda. I love guys like you, great players, but you can't remember which hand to wipe your asses with.

Glenn, I remember the UN inspectors involvement. I also remember specifically that they didn't have nearly enough time to do their jobs once they got into Iraq and that Bush/Cheney rushed us to war on false pretenses. I remember Saddam stonewalling, but he was just being a prick. Eventually the inspectors got in, weren't given enough time by the Bush administration, and were told to get out because we were invading Iraq based on false/bad intelligence and a concocted connection to Al-Quada.

And the 9/11 report bore that out. There weren't any WMD's in Iraq and Bush/Cheney concocted the whole false Al-Quada-is-in-Iraq connection so they could pray on the hearts of Americans who wanted vengeance for what had been done. It was all deliberately created lies to justify going to war in Iraq.

The whole thing was handled horribly.

What would have happened if the UN inspectors finished their tasks and reported that there were no WMD's in Iraq? Suddenly one of the Bush administration's biggest reasons for invading Iraq goes away. It makes it that much harder for them to justify going to war. I think that was what the Bush administration was afraid of, because without just cause they couldn't start their war and all those good old boys weren't going to make bank with their Haliburton contracts.

actually that's just the propaganda end of the deal, it was done because Americans always need someone to blame if things are unpopular.

we were always at war with saddam insane,
what Bush and Cheny did, was quit the ceasefire armistice that was signed at the end of the gulf war.
You may well argue that going back in to iraq was stupid or ill advised or what not, but the real fact is the President had no real obligation to consult anyone, as Iraq has violated the treaty many times in the past even under Clinton
which prompted president Clinton to say "He was right (Bush) I just didn't have the guts"

We were not always at war with Sadaam. He was the tongue in our cheek. We were giving him military hardware to combat Iran so that we wouldn't have to. An added bonus to that was revenge for Russia sending military hardware to the Viet Cong. The problem was that we voted a president into office that is son to a previous president that his legacy was that Sr. put us in the first Gulf was but didn't take out Sadaam. Right or wrong Dubya got him at the expense of another war. As a side note, we also fortified Afghanistan with hardware during their war with Russia. After ten years, Russia conceded. Ever seen pictures of the Taliban? Why are they always carrying Russian RPGs?

Correction,
we were at war with Iraq after they invaded Kuwait, after that we were a in a state of war with Iraq until the fall of the Baath party.

a very smiler situation to N. Korea, technically there is an active cease fire in the Korean war.
this could be broken by either side by a live fire indecent, if the offended side decrees that that indecent violates the ceasefire.

What's the correction? I didn't say Dubya didn't have a reason. Ever heard of Kuwait before that? Look at what's happening in Egyipt and numerous other countries over there now. Are we involved? No. Do we care? no. Do they have oil that would impact market prices on oil? No. Cowinkydink? No.

nothing your saying, makes any sense with anything else your saying

On this matter about Marines, and the latest events... Marines are told and trained to do things that are not for the squeemish. It is not their fault...their training. Marines are told stuff I do not want to post on a world wide forum. That would be stupid. About as stupid as the Marines video taping a desecration of war casualties in a way they may have been told is the Marine Corps way. An intelligent thing for the marines to have done is kill the Taliban victims by pissing on them then shooting them when their dead. Even bayoneting a corpse is better than a urinal video going viral. It makes us all inhumane as Americans. Dead people don't need urinated on. It proves nothing but we are warriors from the worst of America. I was a Marine. I have the greatest respect of all that have served, no matter the branch. designed to protect those that can't. A privelege I am thankful to have partaken. An honor to be among those others that do and have so that we are what we are the greatest nation on earth in history. Those that can piss on another human even after death need examined.

I signed on to a blog that a Colonel started...in which he complained one day about the low morale of his troops. I piped up and reminded the Colonel, that in all my time in service, not once did my leadership teach me a damn thing about 'honor'. I asked him if his troops were taught anything at all about honor... (whereby I provided some links to some of the most hideous attrocities I have ever witnessed by my own my home boys... I wish that pissing on a corpse was the only thing these f**k shit-heads ever did... In any case, I pointed out to him, that if he thought about the "honor" part of the war, (We are indeed much bigger than the enemy, on all fronts) his men would fight twice as hard, die a lot less (including suicide) and morale would no longer be an issue.

The problem I have with Majors and Colonels assessing "morale" is they are not in tune with what it takes to "win" a war... They are focused on reaction and survival... and drivin by logistics, which translates to dollars. "Sorry son...just work with the cheap kevlar you've been issued...and what was your home address again?"

In my World, my soldiers are not numbers of attrition... In my world, you don't have my permission to die... In mY world, The enemy is not given any choice to 'consider' victory for himself...

but hey...thats just me...

We were not always at war with Sadaam. He was the tongue in our cheek. We were giving him military hardware to combat Iran so that we wouldn't have to. An added bonus to that was revenge for Russia sending military hardware to the Viet Cong. The problem was that we voted a president into office that is son to a previous president that his legacy was that Sr. put us in the first Gulf was but didn't take out Sadaam. Right or wrong Dubya got him at the expense of another war. As a side note, we also fortified Afghanistan with hardware during their war with Russia. After ten years, Russia conceded. Ever seen pictures of the Taliban? Why are they always carrying Russian RPGs?

Yep and why is heroin addiction more prevalant in the former USSR

The UN did the policing. I guess you just forgot about all the "UN" inspectors and sanction violations. HOW convenient. You better start taking your vitamins, or get a doctorate in rewriting history to suit the liberal agenda. I love guys like you, great players, but you can't remember which hand to wipe your asses with.

Glenn, I remember the UN inspectors involvement. I also remember specifically that they didn't have nearly enough time to do their jobs once they got into Iraq and that Bush/Cheney rushed us to war on false pretenses. I remember Saddam stonewalling, but he was just being a prick. Eventually the inspectors got in, weren't given enough time by the Bush administration, and were told to get out because we were invading Iraq based on false/bad intelligence and a concocted connection to Al-Quada.

And the 9/11 report bore that out. There weren't any WMD's in Iraq and Bush/Cheney concocted the whole false Al-Quada-is-in-Iraq connection so they could pray on the hearts of Americans who wanted vengeance for what had been done. It was all deliberately created lies to justify going to war in Iraq.

The whole thing was handled horribly.

What would have happened if the UN inspectors finished their tasks and reported that there were no WMD's in Iraq? Suddenly one of the Bush administration's biggest reasons for invading Iraq goes away. It makes it that much harder for them to justify going to war. I think that was what the Bush administration was afraid of, because without just cause they couldn't start their war and all those good old boys weren't going to make bank with their Haliburton contracts.

Your aren't exactly wrong...but everybody is missing the bigger picture... (According to my humble theory...You guys all think that the Invasion of Iraq was centered around the WMD, 911, OIL & OPEC, and on and on. . Nope! that's what they "told" us...

The war on Iraq had been planned, long, long before 911...

Seriously, The middle east region, has had hostilities toward the west for almost 70 years, going back to the 7-day war in Israel. When we sided with Israel, and supported them. We've been hated and disrespected with vitriol by the Arabs, ever since..

911 was never an "If" proposition...it was a "when" proposition. It also happened to be the ticket we needed... to go on and do what we inevitably have wanted to do for 70 years...Which is basically to dominate the Middle East; take out the prevailing socialistic and theocratic horror show that they are about. The seizure of assets (i.e oil) is just a damn bonus...

(Bush senior could have launched an invasion earlier than the 911 milestone... (And he seriously grappled with it...before deciding at that time that the US was still not justified, yet, to invade.)

So lemme be clear... We have been stalking the Middle east, waiting for the right time to make move...911 was that final excuse the US waited for, and needed in order to bear its fangs and pounce.


Why IRAQ:
Its the heart of the region, is geographically pivotal and straight up in the face of all points on the compass... Militarily its got advantages, as well as economically (I.e trade rout and access as a hub) Their parliament is a puppet regime, whom we outright own, now.

FOr any Middle eastern nationals/haters reading this...Read carefully and understand clearly...
We are in your ass now, Like a bad karbunkle...we are over you, under you , to right of you, to the left of you... We are not going away... Not now...Not ever. You belong to us now...and you live because we let you... Get used to the 'great satan' on your lawns...and in your homes. Your lives as you knew it, can no longer bear your rotten fruit...We are your new priesthood. Your great Grand children and their great grandchildren will have to reconcile, this, long after you die... You once, had your chance to shine...For 10 thousand years you have done nothing but lay waste all that you were blessed with... .You beat your women and twist your children, abuse and murder each other . You consistently demonstrated how life carried no real weight for you. Your religion is loveless, lifeless, and your government and laws are strictly by letter and of no spirit. A people, quick to adopt hatred and contempt, as your history shows again and again, All that comes to an end now... We are here, aliens in the night... Assume the position, bitches...You are about to get the probing of your lives...

Seriously we are still debating the reason for Iraq, who is so stupid to still be looking for WMDs? That was the case made before Congress, that was the case made before the UN. To say absolutely any other reason is admitting it was a lie. Split hairs all you want, Cheney and Rumsfeld did G.W. the favor and got us into Iraq on custom made intelligence. It was outright treason, past that “why” doesn’t matter much. They should all be dangling. We were there to pillage, mission accomplished. If we were there for anything more grandiose, we wouldn’t be leaving (at all). Except perhaps, to invade Iran next.

It’s not racism, it’s the lying that I hate. Obama promised change and it has for the worse. Guantanamo Bay is still running ,in fact now the power to send folks there has increased to now include citizens without due process.
http://www.postindependent.com/article/20120105/VALLEYNEWS/120109947/1083&ParentProfile=1074
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/
That’s right folks the US army, not the police will be rounding up all you discontents and putting you behind bars. Some of the indicators of a terrorists are seven days or more of stored food. Ammunition stockpiled in weather proof packaging or more than one firearm. None of those stipulations are applicable to all the terrorists attacks we have suffered so far, but just coincidentally, anything a well organized survivalist would have on hand. So ask yourself, who they going to go for first?

Tell me how a such an outrageously conservative bill made in a closed door committee without a single hearing towards it’s constitutionality, goes right on through without an ounce of remorse from Obama? Oh golley gee he’ll smile and apologize for the Republicans, but he does exactly what they want, doesn’t he? For this and his unwavering support of the “Patriot” act (talk about irony in names). John McCain would be my last choice to lead a “free” people.

Obama’s promise of transparency, has led to the most oppressive US government in history.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/topsecretamerica/has-the-balance-tipped/
The TSA use mobile x-ray vans without congressional approval, which also wasn’t needed to dip our toes into Libya. http://www.naturalnews.com/031603_surveillance_police_state.html and according to the National Defense Authorization Act, which Obama just signed the central government answers to no one and effectively we are under martial law, to be activated at some later time that the president sees fit. Your individual rights are of absolutely no consequence. Not to worry to see this through there is a unit of 20,000 troops standing by for “domestic” deployment. Specifically trained in non-lethal suppression.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
On a side note the date of their deployment started Oct1, 2008 the bank bailouts Oct3, 2008. But remember it’s about terrorism.

Obama is just a black version of Bush. What Obama has given us is a continuation of failed and dangerous policies, while pitching a contrived campaign as the savoir for the poor. You want to buy into it that’s your prerogative, Romney is no less the Republican version of the same puppet. Both parties have a racket going and while they debate abortion, gun control and nonsense the one thing they will both be behind is the next case for war. Why? Because it’s big money and our intelligence industry has been custom made to support it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku8nPOun9SE Cheer up it doesn’t suck being the Romans, nearly as bad as being the “barbarians”.

who didn't see that coming?










don't blame me I voted for Curtis LeMay

the relevant question now is,
if Iran blocks the straight and your fuel prices go to $10.00 a gallon.
do we open the straight or no.

please don't go on and on about how it is a crises we invented,
that hardly matters if you are paying $500.00 a week to drive to work.
assuming you have a job.

We're on the Eve of Destruction