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#161742 by aiki_mcr
Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:39 am
JCP61 wrote:I would just add one thing to that,

I want all hoodlums to know my neighbor doesn't believe in the 2nd amendment and out of respect for him, I won't use my guns to help him if you rob his house. :)


I'm always amused by this one. Where I live, if you have guns you want to Keep Quiet about it! Because the criminals in the area will stake out your house, wait until they are certain nobody is home, break in, steal all your guns (and your stereo and TV while they're about it) and then sell them on the black market to people who then use them to hold up a liquor store.

Of course there's also the shoot you as you open the front door, barge into your house and steal everything you own. That hasn't happened in a couple of years, but it was happening with some regularity in some neighborhoods.

Dude, if I had any guns, I'd deny it. My house is safer if the criminals think I don't have them. YMMV, but don't assume that having guns will actually make you safer.

#161743 by MikeTalbot
Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:18 am
My brother was working on a roady crew with girl named Francine. She was hot in the sort of way you'd expect from her name.

One night some fine fellow decided to kick in her door. He got half way in when she fired the 12 guage. Homeboy made it about 50 feet before he collapsed and died.

Cops told Francine to aim higher in the future so they wouldn't have to walk so far.

Of course - in GA the bad guys are scared of us and they don't wonder if we have guns - they know we do. Most of us. And we will use them - that being the key. Very few carjackings here either.

It ain't heaven on earth but at least we have a balance.

Not much has changed in nearly two hundred years really, except that in the coastel cities decent citizens were silly enough to trust their personal safety to govt. Whoops! :D

Talbot

#161747 by J-HALEY
Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:45 am
Down here in Texas we shoot first and ask questions later!

Here is how we treat folks that break into our neighbors house!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtKCC7z0yc

fast forward to 6 minutes and you will hear! Intruders will be shot, survivors will be shot again!

#161763 by PaperDog
Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:43 am
What part of the English language escapes you? All of it?
"Redistribution of wealth" implies that money is taken from one group of people and GIVEN to another group; a straight-up trade.

Nope, wrong definition...try again... (Hint not a 'straight up trade'...Read up on Marx and Lenin)

That's completely different from everyone paying into a pool (taxes) and that pool being used to provide services that benefit everyone.

Irrelevant Logic... Not mutually exclusive: What the Gov taxes me has nothing to do with how the gov distributes that money afterword... (There is a correlation where the government is the common thread) but he functions are different. And just in case you haven't noticed, The Gov just printed a boatload of un-backed dollars (funny money) to bail out assholes, who apparently get the better end of the 'Straight up Trade' deal... Think about it... What does the word "deficit" mean... More importantly, how did it get there...?

This is what I meant by a conservative, political "bogyman". Right-wingers like to frame the taxes discussion as "redistribution of wealth" because it creates an unpalatable selection of words; it paints a mental image that is unpleasant to anyone listening to the conversation.


Yeah, it might just be painting ..."the truth" in a metaphorical manner to ease the pain of the reality. ..I'm just saying...

No one wants to have their hard earned money "given" to someone of lesser means. I work hard for my money too; I don't want it to just be "taken" and "given" to someone else who isn't as educated as me and doesn't work as hard. That image gets put into people's minds and it is an unsavory image. And that is precisely why right-wingers frame the argument that way. But it's wrong. And it's divisive.


I don't mind giving money to less fortunate people...and in Fact I've done so quite often... I just don't need to be accused by folks that I am somehow a cold hearted bastard, If I opt to NOT give money... The real twist is that such critics are really good at spending my money, but never spending their own... (Acorn ring a bell?)

Try reading comprehension again. No one has a monopoly on community services. You're not comprehending my point. That's on you.


I could point out a dozen errors in your writing style..But I'm too damn tired right now... :shock:


I'm trying to refute that idea of what conservatives think a "liberal" is. Conservatives have taken the "liberal" label and turned it into an adversarial ideaby defining it a certain way - specifically so they have an "opponent" to battle against. But their definition is wrong.

Okay, I'll go along with you here...but FYI ... In 1960, we had cool people called hippies...( I was there and it really was cool.) Hippies branched off and became Commune hippies... They held their own pretty good until a jackass named Charles Manson changed the image of commune life... (Him ...and the Dukes of hazard) ... In the 70's the first significant division between hippies came about in a battle of the sexes...whereby we then had Hippies AND Feminists... (who were not cool) . Both groups sustained "liberal" tenets. When the pill, Helen Gurley Brown, and Gloria Steinham were invented, Hippies learned the hard way that love was no longer free. Gloria Steinham renounced the institution of marriage, stating that she didnt 'need' a man. In the 80s The feminists movement splintered into abortion rights and into the gay movements. Hippies of the 60's were scattered across the universe and thinned out (Except for a large colony of rare Hippies in San Francisco). In the 1990s, Gloria Steinham got married. Clinton (a pot smoker who didn't inhale, and who got a blow job in the oval office by a chick who didn't swallow) cut back the Military budget. When He realized he f**k up... He needed to justify reinstating the budget,, so he created a little war called the Balkins Conflict. He lied to all the democrats , saying that Serbians were causing "Racial Cleansing, in order to win over the sentiments of the democratic party...(to get money outta their pockets to fund the war, to justify a new military budget) ...

There really is no point to the story, but I did want to illustrate how people have been lied to, beaten up and kicked around by hippies who still believe they are cool and liberal.

Liberals no more want to take money and "give" to another group of people than "Conservatives" do.

Uh..huh....

You see, the problem I have with most political discussion is that they exist to create division. If you really look at things completely, you find that both camps actually want a lot of the same things. Hence, no "monopoly" on community service. Conservatives or Liberals, Democrats or Republicans - everyone enjoys driving on well-maintained highways, living under the protection of the best military in the world, having access to quality and affordable healthy care, etc. Where the camps diverge is in the implementation of some of these benefits, but they all still want them.


Ok I concur with that.. (I said I apply common sense, didnt I?) 8)

It embarrasses me to read a post like that from a fellow American. We're a better country than that, but we keep posting divisive things like that. We keep the discussion at a low level; we make sure to use words that divide; we make sure to use words that anger and polarize. That post, humorous as you might find it, does nothing to further the conversation or improve our lives.


One thing I will never agree to is censorship of my thoughts... On this site or any other site. That's not to say I can do anything about it, if my posts get canned...But I absolutely and unequiviocally do not apologize for anything I write...
If you feel embarrased...thats on you ;)

#161769 by J-HALEY
Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:47 pm
Klug, I was breaking a sweat and salivating LOL! It is only in prototype stage as of when that video was shot. I bet George will like this one too 8)

#161784 by gbheil
Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:52 pm
aiki_mcr wrote:
JCP61 wrote:I would just add one thing to that,

I want all hoodlums to know my neighbor doesn't believe in the 2nd amendment and out of respect for him, I won't use my guns to help him if you rob his house. :)


I'm always amused by this one. Where I live, if you have guns you want to Keep Quiet about it! Because the criminals in the area will stake out your house, wait until they are certain nobody is home, break in, steal all your guns (and your stereo and TV while they're about it) and then sell them on the black market to people who then use them to hold up a liquor store.

Of course there's also the shoot you as you open the front door, barge into your house and steal everything you own. That hasn't happened in a couple of years, but it was happening with some regularity in some neighborhoods.

Dude, if I had any guns, I'd deny it. My house is safer if the criminals think I don't have them. YMMV, but don't assume that having guns will actually make you safer.



That's what gun safes are made for.

I have successfully defended my self and others with my firearm.
Without ever having to fire a shot.
My mere armed presence was all it took to deter criminal activity.

So ... it's not an assumption ... nor of course is it a guarantee.

But then I don't carry a fire arm occasionally.
If I'm dressed ... I'm armed.
It's been a habit for so long that the act of donning my weapon is no different in thought than putting on my underwear.

Well, a little different.
I always check to see if my firearm is loaded, and my underwear ... are not . :lol:

#161831 by MikeTalbot
Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:24 pm
George

I have a metric i use. I always carry my Glock with 17 rounds. But I go more than 10 miles from the house I add an additional mag with another 33. That guy was made for the full auto glock. Lot of fun I'm sure but you could shoot your life savings away pretty darn quick!

I love extended mags. John Mosby (The Grey Ghost) carried six colt revolvers and I can do that with one mag in my Glock! Wish i could send him a couple but my time machine is in the shop...

Talbot

#161832 by gbheil
Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:30 pm
Mike

I went from a S&W 19-4 357 revolver to a 1911 and now the G22.
( I train and alternate then just for kicks )
With 15 rounds of .40 S&W, I no longer feel a need for an additional mag or speed loader.

When I travel away from home I carry my "Go Bag" and a G3 ( semi auto of course )
That aught to do it ... if not I figure I'm hosed anyways. :wink:

#161888 by gtZip
Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:46 am
You may be, But In all grade, grammar and Highshool years that I attended, I never once saw or received any lesson on religion... I mimicked the pledge of allegiance... and mocked the teachers... Never once, was I forced to take a rosary, wear a yamaka or bomb a locker room.


:lol:

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