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#161250 by Creedence Clearwater Arrival
Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:45 pm
CREATIVE MUSIC COMPOSITION

* I give voice to musical notes etc, that I imagine others wouldn't consider. However that alone can render me simply reacting slavishly to "their" choices.
* So, I can break that rule, by choosing without thinking about what "they" would do. To choose without being controlled by others; Freedom. However, I might still not be "Free", because I may be controlled by deeply engrained music traditions that I carry around, and am unaware of. One reason to study music (theory etc) is to become aware of the rules (tradition), so that one can then, break away from them.
* I can also "choose" to attach my note preferences (etc), to elements beyond me, beyond my control. Examples: Attach the preference criteria of note choices to the needs of a lyric sheet. I can also attach the preference criteria of my note choices to the design of a building, or of a leaf, or to a feeling that a lover left in my memory.


FLYING CLOUD NINE
http://soundcloud.com/vr_hallock

#161255 by MikeTalbot
Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:12 pm
nine...NINE!

You are in the sort of territory I attempted to describe below:

Talbot

The Color of Nine
M. Peirce (Talbot) Copyright (C) 2009

VERSE 1
Synesthesia afflicts the troubled few.
Who sense those things that aren’t perceived by me and you.

The smell of Wagner and the number of the color blue…
It’s just a hint of what is there…

More than usual,
Less than true!

#161260 by Etu Malku
Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:31 pm
FLYING CLOUD NINE wrote:CREATIVE MUSIC COMPOSITION

* I give voice to musical notes etc, that I imagine others wouldn't consider. However that alone can render me simply reacting slavishly to "their" choices.
* So, I can break that rule, by choosing without thinking about what "they" would do. To choose without being controlled by others; Freedom. However, I might still not be "Free", because I may be controlled by deeply engrained music traditions that I carry around, and am unaware of. One reason to study music (theory etc) is to become aware of the rules (tradition), so that one can then, break away from them.
* I can also "choose" to attach my note preferences (etc), to elements beyond me, beyond my control. Examples: Attach the preference criteria of note choices to the needs of a lyric sheet. I can also attach the preference criteria of my note choices to the design of a building, or of a leaf, or to a feeling that a lover left in my memory.


FLYING CLOUD NINE
http://soundcloud.com/vr_hallock
Throughout the years I have used many esoteric devices to assist me in creating music, what remains constant is my Frankensteinian control, it will always be ME that decides if the outcome is a keeper or not (unless someone offers me a lot of $$, then it's a keeper lol).

That said, here is a recording that I had no idea how I made it, forgot what was synced to what and how, but once I began recording it just did its thing and I manipulated it in realtime and in one take it was done.

I have always felt that there was something else guiding the performance along and that I had little to do except change something when I felt inspired.

http://snd.sc/i7MsuK

#161268 by Creedence Clearwater Arrival
Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:59 pm
If we are controlled by traditions and habits that we are unaware of, are we REALLY in control; are we really making the choices, or is it habit. Listen to the drums of your interesting bug music composition, while comparing it with the following beat that has been engrained in our memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Fs5GrUBwI
Again, my point is, did YOU choose that rhythm/beat, or did habit. Creativity makes a choice beyond habit.

#161269 by Etu Malku
Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:25 pm
FLYING CLOUD NINE wrote:If we are controlled by traditions and habits that we are unaware of, are we REALLY in control; are we really making the choices, or is it habit. Listen to the drums of your interesting bug music composition, while comparing it with the following beat that has been engrained in our memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Fs5GrUBwI
Again, my point is, did YOU choose that rhythm/beat, or did habit. Creativity makes a choice beyond habit.
Drums were programmed later, the AI aspect is the chaotic melodic patterns, everything else I pieced together afterward to create some semblance of order.

#161272 by JCP61
Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:04 pm
When you take into consideration the age of this article, the obvious amount of work that was and was going to be put into this research, and given the rather shoddy state of what is now proposed to be "AI" compared to advances in other similar fields.

One might easily come to the conclusion that most of this work was bundled off to music industry professionals as behavior models to more accurately predict what types of music might be sold in the greatest quantity and at the lowest production costs to the masses.

#161279 by PaperDog
Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:50 pm
Lynard Dylan wrote:The machine won't know how Mozart felt,
being a vituoso composer, but having to
live with his sister. Wanting to make music,
yet finds almost all music controlled by the
churc. How do you put those feelings in a
machine.


Emotion is , for want of a better phrase, 'the magnitude and dynamic representation , through notes that result from the mood of the composer.

If you can find a machine, sensitive enough to detect and register the differences in the signals of an emotive piece, AI can then handle the differentials, and recognize them in later compositions. (AI calls these differences 'Rules'). The machine itself is the problem here...No musical equipment is calibrated to the degree of sensitivity (gradient) necessary to capture all the differences (even though the human ear can)

AI is not the mechanical ear... AI is the thought process, once the mechanical ear detects the differences...

So, Build a machine that can be calibrated that fine, and couple it with AI, then you got a system that can detect and express emotion.

Study's are being done to determine what triggers sexual attraction between men and women (solely on voice tone alone) . We are wired as men to be aroused at higher pitched vocal sounds (aka females) and women are wired to be aroused at low , deep pitch) . Animated cartoons, using these facts, have evoked sexual arousal from audiences, respectively... I'm quite certains, there is wiring to define emotional triggers... If so, machines will someday synthesize those triggers... to satisfy the wiring of human emotions. (Already been done with those mood tapes like rainstorms, etc)

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