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Hey hey, my my
Rock-n-Roll can never die
As for depression... try a little yellow pill.

And tho she's not really ill thers a liitle yellow pill

I'm not depressed.

And I don't need no damn pills neither.

If anything, this will make Rock n Roll stronger and more dangerous. Rock n Roll was made for adversity!

The driving force of rock and roll has always been teenagers. What are most teenagers buying, what are they listening to? Is there a core sound that most teenagers are listening to? Does anybody ever check the Billboard Top 40 rock tunes any more? Does a Top 40 list even exist? Why are there so many genres, sub-genres, sub sub genres? When I was a teen there was essentially ONE genre, rock and roll, that I listened to. I couldn't wait to check out the Top 40 every week to see if one of my favorite tunes was No. 1. On my favorite radio station they had a Top 40 countdown show. I listened to it nearly every week. Then MTV came along and changed rock in a very fundamental way. The image of the artist became more important than the music. Music videos in some respects took some of our imagination away from the songs in that once you see a music video you "see" the video when you hear the song again later. I can't say that rock and roll is dead. Perhaps it's been sub-genred to death. Perhaps it's been glammed to death where the music has been dumbed down in favor of image. When I listen to what's popular among teenagers I'm not sure what I'm listening to. I rarely hear anything I can relate to. And then CD technology has made it very difficult for artists to sell their music because everybody downloads for free, so what sells today is image, glitz, glamor, and BIG shows, NOT the music. Rock and roll may not be dead but it's in a very weird place.

The driving force of rock and roll has always been teenagers. What are most teenagers buying, what are they listening to? Is there a core sound that most teenagers are listening to? Does anybody ever check the Billboard Top 40 rock tunes any more? Does a Top 40 list even exist? Why are there so many genres, sub-genres, sub sub genres? When I was a teen there was essentially ONE genre, rock and roll, that I listened to. I couldn't wait to check out the Top 40 every week to see if one of my favorite tunes was No. 1. On my favorite radio station they had a Top 40 countdown show. I listened to it nearly every week. Then MTV came along and changed rock in a very fundamental way. The image of the artist became more important than the music. Music videos in some respects took some of our imagination away from the songs in that once you see a music video you "see" the video when you hear the song again later. I can't say that rock and roll is dead. Perhaps it's been sub-genred to death. Perhaps it's been glammed to death where the music has been dumbed down in favor of image. When I listen to what's popular among teenagers I'm not sure what I'm listening to. I rarely hear anything I can relate to. And then CD technology has made it very difficult for artists to sell their music because everybody downloads for free, so what sells today is image, glitz, glamor, and BIG shows, NOT the music. Rock and roll may not be dead but it's in a very weird place.

Very well stated Bob,

Especially the part about R &R being in a weird place. Music promoters have replaced the production and craft of R & R song writing, with the production and craft of sound-effects- assembly. Some of that is pretty cool stuff, but as an analogy goes...its like we used to drink real coffee and now we have taken to drinking "coffee-based" beverages, in the market.

I don't relate to most of the stuff on radio anymore, I'm sure my age contributes to that, but also because it simply doesn't make sense in my world, which holds an artistic/craft-developed point of view.

But the truth be told...What i think really happened was that there were many Musician wanna-bes in the 70s, who could not really fit the role, but who definitely got taken up by the dynamic, mind blowing production of the real artists. So what I think might have happened was that it spawned a generation of DJs, who, while not real musicians, decided to borrow and mix up the existing work and exploit it for their own sense of glory.

If yo think about it... When we were watching Elvis and the Beatles, (and all those chicks screaming) , we got motivated to do what they do... In the fashion that they did it. Well, if you discover you cant do it that way...but you still hunger for that glory...maybe a tape recorder/ vinyl spinner and a sound effects panel could be useful....

just a thought

Image>?

Does that mean everyone that goes on stage isn't really wearing that get up on Monday-Friday? *burp*

And I thought LADY GAGA's meat suit was her holiday attire..

But seriously, if people don't like the show, I hope they leave.
I know I wouldn't hang around unless I liked the music.

I walked out on Primus once. (man was that a mistake)
But I heard it from the parking lot, so I hung out with this guy and his NO2 balloons and got semi-edumakted.. LOL

Image>?

Does that mean everyone that goes on stage isn't really wearing that get up on Monday-Friday? *burp*

And I thought LADY GAGA's meat suit was her holiday attire..

But seriously, if people don't like the show, I hope they leave.
I know I wouldn't hang around unless I liked the music.

I walked out on Primus once. (man was that a mistake)
But I heard it from the parking lot, so I hung out with this guy and his NO2 balloons and got semi-edumakted.. LOL

. Has anybody ever tried recording singing an entire song singing on nitrous oxide? That would be a cool effect. Or is it heium that makes your voice sound so weird?

I've sang and played many entire nights on,
weed, beer, whiskey, pills and powders or a
combination of them depending on availability.
Some nights it was weird, some nights it was
terrible, and then some nights it was magical.

I think you come down to hard on the zero tolerance
of no alcohol and drugs, maybe the nitrous is loosening
you up.

Image>?

Does that mean everyone that goes on stage isn't really wearing that get up on Monday-Friday? *burp*

And I thought LADY GAGA's meat suit was her holiday attire..

But seriously, if people don't like the show, I hope they leave.
I know I wouldn't hang around unless I liked the music.

I walked out on Primus once. (man was that a mistake)
But I heard it from the parking lot, so I hung out with this guy and his NO2 balloons and got semi-edumakted.. LOL

. Has anybody ever tried recording singing an entire song singing on nitrous oxide? That would be a cool effect. Or is it heium that makes your voice sound so weird?

Helium is the mickey mouse effect..

The best music comes from the hardest times.

The best music comes from the hardest times.

So true, but me thinks RocknRoll is headed for the Nursing home, if the youngsters have anything to do with it. The kids think Hendrix, Page is sick, but some of us in our 50's are out of touch cause everything we play ain't drop D with cookie monster vocals.

Drop D with cookie monster vocals,
you just described my son-in-laws
band. At least they finally got rid of
the screamer, that kid was insane.

Aw common guys. I've been tinkering with Drop D and even Drop C and can do different things - good for getting you out of a rut. Just another tool in the chest.

Don't care for the growling vocals. I heard a guy from Lamb of God on sat radio just chatting. His voice was a wreck. I question the wisdom of allways sounding angry - rage gets wearisome and can wear on a man.

Talbot

Aw common guys. I've been tinkering with Drop D and even Drop C and can do different things - good for getting you out of a rut. Just another tool in the chest.

Don't care for the growling vocals. I heard a guy from Lamb of God on sat radio just chatting. His voice was a wreck. I question the wisdom of allways sounding angry - rage gets wearisome and can wear on a man.

Talbot

You said it !
we just did a pop tune in DADGAD sounds like a good one for Journey believe it or not. I wrote the lyric and am strutting around the house. It started in
B is so slacked the strings got caught on the neck ! But to be to the point the kids think many of the old dudes are, out of touch, but they aspire to reach JIMMY PAGE.