General Music Chat

The percentage of combat days is severely skewed by technology.

Indeed, An SSBN Submarine can lurk around the waters of Hawaii and drop a ballistic missile 2000-3000 miles away. Just takes a sequence of buttons, a few keys and a verbal or encrypted command. The whole process can technically take mere minutes...and then its off to the mess decks for coffee...

Population, Economy and Wars go hand in hand. When the troops come back the sad reality is that either they or someone else will get displaced. Many vets opting to not renew their military contracts have been denied. They can't be denied in maritime. They will be looking for work and, rightfully so, should find it. As the job market becomes even more saturated with job seekers, employers have more rights than workers. Unemployment numbers will soar to new highs. Politicians don't want that on their scores. Wars reduce those numbers. Iraq being Iran's western neighbor, common sense would tell you if we were to attack Iran, we would have logistical and tactical advantage coming from Iraq as well as the Persian Gulf. I would not be surprised to see Iran provoked into doing something nasty like another hostage strategy. American citizens don't generally know our military does provoke ourselves into situations. It is not told to us, therefore it doesn't happen. Syria? Nah. We're not in any strategic position to undertake that one until Iraq and Afghanistan wars are closed. In the '70's, when the Pill was introduced on the market, and Roe v. Wade happened, population growth slowed, and liberal spending and Social Security swelled, we no longer have a growing youth to pay into the system. Government spending costs are typically separated from war costs. We forgive our leaders for that expense. Otherwise, you're not supporting our troops. Not looking for an argument, but, all that said, the most prudent thing to do at this time would be to rotate troops home for R&R, re-assign the troops in Iraq, then invade Iran from 70% of it's boarders. I'm sure no one likes this idea. On the home front, with no war, there is less production of military hardware, which is big money and lots of jobs. Realistically speaking, history shows poor economies produce wars. The entire world benefits from war because it is intangible. (e.g.) There is only so much corn that can be produced. Those labor positions are filled. War does produce jobs. It comes down to this- what country is our greatest enemy? China, no, we're borrowing from them. Afghanistan? No, they are not stratigically interesting in any way, and their resources are of no consequence to America. Who is trying to develop the BOMB, meanwhile threatening our ally Israel off the face of the map. Might has well start painting your guitars camouflage- desert sand if you're going to entertain the troops.

Drop the bomb on those Iranians!
That way they won't be able to get
nuclear technology, and we can go
in to Iran with our banna suits on
and pump out all that oil.

These wars are all about energy,
cause it can't be about their women,
their all so ugly they make them
cover their faces.

The people with the inside tack will tell you the grunts are being replaced by special forces & CIA people.
There is no "draw down".

It is just another political lie / ploy.


God bless our veterans.
The politicians whom use them as pawns should be hanged in the streets.

Special Forces aren't Special forces until Soldiers train with Marines (Grunts). Soldiers in maritime go overseas to- Germany. Marines go to many countries (hence the Eagle, GLOBE, and Anchor), and train with them and bring any viable tactics into play. Any Soldier that has trained in war games with, say Turkey is Special Forces. Any Marine that has trained with Turkey is a Marine.

Not meaning to scare anyone....
It's time to bring home all the troops and..... prepare for WW3

Yeah I'm crazy!

Not meaning to scare anyone....
It's time to bring home all the troops and..... prepare for WW3

Yeah I'm crazy!

I think you're right about preparing for WW3. It will be the war to end all wars. The Bible says that blood will be up to a horse's bridle. A third of mankind will be lost. Whom will be the surviving two thirds? In all of history, has there ever been anything wrong about what the Bible said would happen just as it says? In all of history, has there ever been any other book that has been so profound? Babylon will be rebuilt, 60 some miles east of Baghdad. Just between Baghdad and Iran. It is also said to be the birthplace of humanity, (outside the Garden of Eden). Interesting, isn't it.

There were Viet Namese and there were Viet CONG. The C in Cong being the difference was in military language as Charley.

Population, Economy and Wars go hand in hand.

What I am about to say is strictly my opinion... No persons, real or fictional were harmed or injured during the writing of this opinion...

We are in any and all parts of the middle east for one reason and one reason only... To dominate the The Middle East and its culture. That culture has overall, been a festering threat to our western principles and ideologies (Not to mention our safety and well being) for nearly 60 years. ( I personally think It went south for us, after Israel's 7 day war when we supported Israel , helping them to hand the Palestinians their asses on a platter ) .

Folks would like to pawn this War off to "economics" such as oil and the likes. NOT TRUE, since we would simply negotiate (as we already do) to obtain oil. The oil argument is a huge lie, to quell Americans, who would otherwise question the ulterior motives of the US government. In short, Americans are being played...in order to protect a very critical agenda for the future of America.

I firmly believe there was NO conspiracy by the US surrounding 911... But , it sure as hell was NO surprise to our Gov when it happened. They may have saw this coming 15-20 years prior to the event. It wasn't really a matter of "If" but rather a matter of "when".

Some Americans (i.e hardcore liberal leftists) cannot conceive the magnitude of hatred and contempt that many of the Middle Eastern nations hold against U.S. (And Israel) To that end, those nations and their sympathizers would just prefer that we die and go away.

When 911 hit....Our Government leaders unilaterally decided that it was finally time to 'overtly' invade and occupy. (It was already planned...911 just gave us the moral green light we needed to move forward)
For anybody who has concerns about our status ... We are NOT going away from the Middle East ...We now have a massive presence in the Middle East, and we're gonna be around for the next hundred years or more. (Much like Britain absorbed and assimilated in India)

As such, the Military/ Civil Service Contractors have probably lined up a shitload of jobs overseas... Many of those will be headquartered (Operational) in Europe and Middle East.

http://www.govtcontractorjobs.com/
http://www.pbs.org/thewar/at_home_war_production.htm

So, the influx of veterans, might be temporary. Those who served, could likely have opportunities to get on board with various contractors. (Hence part of the Post-Service jobs problem would be solved.

In summary, The U.S. is now like a bad zit on the face of the middle east, and We aint going away...We will spread like an acne forest... As it knew itself, the Middle east (and its ideologies ) will slowly dilute, fade , become absorbed and ultimately changed.
As far as I am concerned...good riddance to them... Their 12th century practices have been a bane on my planet.

Hey Dog,,, 35 years ago I was working in a TGIF in Boston. I was prepping salads with this LAZY Iranian dude. He was as useless as tits on a bull. When I said something he turned to me with a chopping knife in hand with total hatred in his eyes,,, he ran the knife across his throat and warned me to be real careful if I didn't want to die. You Americans are so stupid.

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!!! I have the same knife in my hand buddy. A few of the other workers heard that crap and some how the kitchen manager,managed to convince him to leave. Never saw him again, but it taught me about the tremendous hatred that can develop.

Our country was founded on INDEPENDENCE! Our country was founded on INNOVATION! Our country was founded on LOVE of ALL our fellow human beings.

God, after all these years we have gotten so far away these basic ideals that MAY lead us into the FUTURE.... I don't see one leader, leading us into the future. Just hatred and lost values.

Hey Dog,,, 35 years ago I was working in a TGIF in Boston. I was prepping salads with this LAZY Iranian dude. He was as useless as tits on a bull. When I said something he turned to me with a chopping knife in hand with total hatred in his eyes,,, he ran the knife across his throat and warned me to be real careful if I didn't want to die. You Americans are so stupid.

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!!! I have the same knife in my hand buddy. A few of the other workers heard that crap and some how the kitchen manager,managed to convince him to leave. Never saw him again, but it taught me about the tremendous hatred that can develop.

Our country was founded on INDEPENDENCE! Our country was founded on INNOVATION! Our country was founded on LOVE of ALL our fellow human beings.

God, after all these years we have gotten so far away these basic ideals that MAY lead us into the FUTURE.... I don't see one leader, leading us into the future. Just hatred and lost values.

Glen, Its weird that you mentioned this... When I was about 18 , I worked at a restaurant . One of the waitresses I knew was dating an Iranian student. She brought him into work one day right after quitting time... The guy was absolutely the most polite person I had ever met... He was so polite, that he would do things like try to brush off the lint on my shoulder (As a show of respect) ...It was all good, until I realized the waitress had some bruises on her arm... You get the drift, right?

I taught in Navy... We used to sponsor Turkish military students. We would train them on how to use our (antiquated) sonar systems.

Way back in the early 80's , the training command had discovered a horrific fact about the Turkish training policies. When students failed, they reported back to their ships, and were taken 50 miles offshore (international waters, maritime law) and hung to death. UNBELIEVABLE, RIGHT? Needless to say, after that discovery, no Turkish student on that command was ever given a failing grade on their final testing.

dog

Re syria - see drudgeReport.com. The Brit are already in there getting it wound up and the turks are oganizing a free syria military unit.

This sh*t scares me to death. Our leaders are stone insane with power and worse, they are incompetant. Those are two qualities that combine to make for a real rough future.

Glen

Are the muslims insane - some certainly are. However I'm not the least bit frightened of them. Ultimately, I'm a trained soldier and they are a bunch of dipshits. If they win, it is because our we stupid enough to tolerate leaders who are perhaps the worst nincompoops in charge of large countries since the buffoons who blundered into World War I.

Talbot

Insanity is a relative word. What we consider insanity is not insane to their (Muzlim, Suni's and The like) that believe that we should believe what they believe and that those that don't believe in their "Allah" should be eliminated. It is very religious. As Christians, we believe that we should get others to follow just to save their souls. Not "Or Else!" As Christians, our God has many names. Allah is one of them. Jesus is another. Those that don't believe Jesus is our Savior will suffer the wrath of God, or Allah. It is Their religion that tells them that becoming a martyr for their God will give them 72 bristol virgins for dying. In a nutshell, isn't that just a perversion of religion?

Crunch

CS Lewis called Islam the most successful of all modern heresies.

Talbot

Lewis himself has been labeled a heretic, even after converting from atheism to Christianity.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/c ... xposed.htm

http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2 ... lewis.html

Insanity is a relative word. What we consider insanity is not insane to their (Muzlim, Suni's and The like) that believe that we should believe what they believe and that those that don't believe in their "Allah" should be eliminated. It is very religious. As Christians, we believe that we should get others to follow just to save their souls. Not "Or Else!" As Christians, our God has many names. Allah is one of them. Jesus is another. Those that don't believe Jesus is our Savior will suffer the wrath of God, or Allah. It is Their religion that tells them that becoming a martyr for their God will give them 72 bristol virgins for dying. In a nutshell, isn't that just a perversion of religion?

Crunchy, I think many Christians live under the wrong pretext of "gospel" As a Christian, I try to understand the gospel, viewing it as its defined: "Good news".

So. if I am asked to console someone about it (aka Share the good news) , I'm there for them... But I would never attempt to shove Christianity down anybody's throat...Hence, I am not inclined whatsoever to believe that I would, could or should go out there to "save souls". ( I can't save souls...only Christ can.) By not using the Flag of Christianity as a spear against others who do not wish to hear my "good news', I believe I have won the attention of many non-believers... Even then, I do not overtly try to persuade them into my belief system about Christ. (I'll let Christ speak for us) This is the fundamental difference surrounding "grace" between Christianity and Muslum.

Many wars were fought, many people slain 'in the name Of' Christianity. Unfortunately, the leaders behind all that misunderstood the intention of Christ. Hence, I do not feel they represented true Christianity.

What are the Odds, that the same principle exists with Islamic believers...? Was 9-11 truly a tenet of Islam? I think that many people lose their minds and perspective about the definition of Righteous... And they always wind up taking the easiest, most fruitless, most comfortable path to express it...

At the end of the day, all I can hope to do is to set examples of Christianity by simply living and behaving by the word. If I Follow the doctrines of happiness, health, prosperity (As these are intended for all humans in God's creation) and if I do it without causing others to suffer by it, then I'm at least on a good track.

In the mean time... What might Christ tell me in tis life, right now? I think he would say: ...ROCK ON!!!!