General Music Chat

Post Script..

I told you folks, I have but 2 stipulations to writing music.

1) I write 4-8 bars at a time, from my notebook etc.

and

2) I write a tune until my part is completely finished, i.e. up to about 8 hours of work.

Our last session he (Les) introduced a different method of recording material.
I didn't like it to say the least.

We also became confused about what each one of use wanted from the last tune "Spin". It caused a bit of stress for me in particular.

In short, we agreed to disagree and not working together any longer.

I put the best version of the revamped SPIN on the player before we really got off track with it. He has other versions but I don't have them.

I'll miss his keyboard skills and his level of software mastery, but I can't write effectively if you don't leave my 2 stipulations alone. If I can't write effectively, than I don't write at all.

I don't like SPIN, especially now...

Post Script..

I told you folks, I have but 2 stipulations to writing music.

1) I write 4-8 bars at a time, from my notebook etc.

and

2) I write a tune until my part is completely finished, i.e. up to about 8 hours of work.

Our last session he (Les) introduced a different method of recording material.
I didn't like it to say the least.

We also became confused about what each one of use wanted from the last tune "Spin". It caused a bit of stress for me in particular.

In short, we agreed to disagree and not working together any longer.

I put the best version of the revamped SPIN on the player before we really got off track with it. He has other versions but I don't have them.

I'll miss his keyboard skills and his level of software mastery, but I can't write effectively if you don't leave my 2 stipulations alone. If I can't write effectively, than I don't write at all.

I don't like SPIN, especially now...

Scott, it seemed you guys had been having a lot of fun up to that point...
I understand the frustration of clashing styles of writing... (In my case, it falls apart if I cant keep up with the other guy) .

Might I offer a suggestion? Songwriting with a partner (Which includes collaboration of 'how' the tracks get recorded/laid down) is sorta like having a girlfriend... Gotta make lots of room in the closet for 'her' clothes...(Its just an inescapable reality ...LOL!)

If you guys could maybe compromise on the approach a little... Maybe the bridge needs shortening or the chorus would go better with some other instrument and maybe the 8th bar screams for a 9th and 10th and so on...

If there is one thing I know (in my many years of being a legend in my own mind...) is that the eggs we lay, should never be expected to come with the hollandaise sauce. We actually have to suffer the excretion of the song, and then we gotta whip up the sauce better than anybody else...all this in the confines of the kitchen we have to work with. That's the whole jist of 'making' music in the studio.

It sounds to me that neither one of you guys was 'wrong' ..Maybe just too fixed on minor step within the overall process..
I would say give each other another chance...

FUUUECK him. I was just starting to enjoy some of the new tunes.
What a shame. Good luck Captain. Just aint nice is it?

No-no, he's really good at what he does. (Les)

It was wondrous working with a keys player as skilled as he is and the command of sounds he has at his fingertips. I was / am awed. I am going to miss that big, bad A6.
His technical ability with the software is second to none.

But I MUST write the way I write and my 2 little protocols are specifically in place to avoid disaster. I am resolute on this.

For whatever reason he doesn't want to write the way I write, thus I cannot collaborate with him any longer because his protocols are not mine and vice versa.

I do what I know and to do something else would seem random to me.

I was overly critical of "Spin", as in I don't like it. I wrote an email and I think maybe he thought I was criticizing him personally, when it becomes apparent that lines of communication had become broken and probably was just misunderstanding incarnate.

It still remains that he wants to record in his fashion. Right or wrong, black or white, up or down the answer is no. No heavy Editing, no heavy manipulation, no non-live layering, no, no no..

For my music, I will have to do it my way or not at all. When you record your music that you have almost fully written, you will feel exactly the same as I currently do.

You just don't want or need too much manipulation especially when you already have most of it ready to go.

When you collaborate with someone you must compromise; when I write with Rasta (the singer in The Farleys) the process and results are totally different than if I were to write with Neanderpaul. They are different people with different influences and aspirations. The only thing that stays the same in the equation is me, and it's the only thing I have any control over. I learned long ago that to achieve the best results you must ditch your ego and let people do what they do best. If this doesn't sit well then by all means end the collaboration.

When you collaborate with someone you must compromise; when I write with Rasta (the singer in The Farleys) the process and results are totally different than if I were to write with Neanderpaul. They are different people with different influences and aspirations. The only thing that stays the same in the equation is me, and it's the only thing I have any control over. I learned long ago that to achieve the best results you must ditch your ego and let people do what they do best. If this doesn't sit well then by all means end the collaboration.

That's the thing, really not a collaboration per se.

(His main contribution were his manipulation of the software, although he is a solid keys player and played solidly on the tracks.)

I love having the keys part etc. but I just really wanted to lay down my tracks.

The whole purpose was to record the materials I already wrote. (or that's what I thought)

I was going to perform support positions within his other setups as a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours type deal".

EDIT: It really is a collaboration. I hate to admit that because I think down deep everyone wants to take credit for their own music.

The reality of it is that without his keys playing, it's not even near as good and the mastery of the software is just as rare as a producer/sound engineer that really understands the way YOU write.

I stuck my own foot in my ass. I am just glad I have a chance to redeem myself and continue to try to create within a structure that plays to my strength(s), instead of weakness. Thank you lord and thank you Les.

Next time lord, please make the beating less severe. I feel Like I just puked up a tooth.

Jimmy, you often right? Did you go through this yourself or you just wise?
I got a lot to learn in a very short time..

2:24 to 2:51 is your chorus Gold.

Ditch the minute and a half intro, and run that bich into the ground. Do it three or four times.

Then you'll be on alt-rock radio, and you wont have to make burritos anymore.

2:24 to 2:51 is your chorus Gold.

Ditch the minute and a half intro, and run that bich into the ground. Do it three or four times.

Then you'll be on alt-rock radio, and you wont have to make burritos anymore.

(handgun to head)

Aww I am soo sick of "making the burritos"..lol

Next lucky winner gets a burrito with a hand gernade and a pack of razor blades under the sour cream and salsa.

Next time cut me with the butter knife; those plastic serrated blades actually hurt more than regular steel.