General Music Chat

Hell that's more than my whole setup guitars and all is worth.

Working on getting a better handle on the stage environment myself.
One reason I purchased the Carvin VT16 is it has an internal load so I can play it through the monitors only and not be standing beside a screaming amp.
Issue now seems that Jax and I both on guitar are pushing the Yamaha BR12 monitors too hard with our guitars + vocalist in the master stage mix on channel 2.
Channel 1 is feeding the Hot Spots only with a separate mixer for the drum & bass monitors.
Working with four vocalist is going to be tricky indeed.
But I'm looking forward to the challenge. [/b]

I looked into the Bose systems a time or two, and know a couple of bands that use them, however from my perspective they are great for lower to mid volume level acts, not necessarily what my band could use, plus we have accumulated so much traditional equipment thru the years that to change now would be uneconomical from my point of view. Weve got probably 25,000 dollars worth of equipment in our trailer, but if i were to try and sell it on say craigslist it would only be worth 3-5,000 dollars, so with the small abount of gigs we have lined up, it would be stupid for me to try and change now, our sh*t is paid for, so gig money is split between us, I couldnt see playing for free the next 3 years or so to go this way in sound.

But, if I were starting from the ground up today, and was playing 100 to 200 seat rooms and didnt need high sound levels, I would definitely be looking at the Bose system, I love Bose speakers, have two sets in my home that ive had for years and they still sound great.

To you guys using the Bose, it looks like a great setup in the right enviroment!

Keep Rockin

Not to mention the WOW factor.

Let's be honest here. Sound aside, y'all know it just looks cool with all those stacks and speakers behind and beside you.

Gearge, well HEEEELLLLLOOOOOOO!

I come from the old school of big speakers, big guitars, big hair LOL

This weekend Im taking two halfstacks for our gig and our bassist will bring his 8x10 cabinet, not because we need it, but because we can LOL!!!!!

That's why I'm converting this old CRATE display cab into a guitar & bass speaker cab.
I've cleaned her up and made some repairs. Added feet and pop out casters to the bottom and feet along one side so it can be presented horizontally as well as vertically.

When I'm done the top half will hold one ( or two not decided yet ) 12" Celestion guitar speakers in an open back format and the lower half will have a 15" bass speaker in a closed back format that way my bass player Eric and I can both use it in a small venue just by setting our heads on it and plugging in.

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George heres a picture from a couple of years ago with the cabs stackes, my damn footswitch pedal wouldnt reach so I had to put the head on the floor.

Lately Ive been running my cabs side by side, Im just using the one head, My Mesa sounds good thru both cabs at the same time, the ole Laney is a brighter more british sounding cab, it has H&H speakers in it, its smaller than the Mesa, the Mesa has a thicker meatier sound to it, so they do go good to together and the contrast in tone, makes my guitar sound thicker without having to add anything in the signal chain that taints the sound in anyway.

I dont play as loud as you would think seeing my gear, that Mesa stuff will get up and boogie without having to crank it too the moon. I only run my gain stages on the amp at around 12 oclock these days and it smokes!

I have a bose system , A mid level 2-15 & horn yamaha system & a very large jbl system , they all sound great but I'd much rather set up the bose. It takes 15 min compared to the jbl around 2 hours w/ sound check & you need a sound man & a sound check. so when you factor that in the bose look better & better ( I cant find a good sound man for less than $100/ night @ 36 nights / yr thats $3600) most of the clubs I play are under 250 people & the bose will handle that very well . they play a lot louder than youd think & sound awesome for break music . the only draw back is you cant use a lot of mics 4-6 for 2 towers . ( that just means you need to be in control of your music , mix & volume )

You Know, It occurs to me that in most of the bars & clubs where I live, if there is a live act, even with a sound man present... My ears always wind up ringing ... The bands seem to blast away. I don't know if its actually possible to get clean sound in a live performance.. Can that exist?

Paper, my band is hard rock but we go for more of a dynamic sound, we have a system that will realistically cover 800 people, so we have huge headroom to flex with. For us its not about overall volume but just having a clean sound at a reasonable level, we try not to get over 105 db, it seems when we push past that, then you start hearing crickets in the morning.

To me thats a problem with most soundmen, I mean i ran sound for a number of years and I was guilty of pushing it a little higher and a little higher all night once ear fatigue set in, thats just a recipe for ringing ears.

But I will say for the most part, my band is very clean and comfortable live in clubs.

Paper, my band is hard rock but we go for more of a dynamic sound, we have a system that will realistically cover 800 people, so we have huge headroom to flex with. For us its not about overall volume but just having a clean sound at a reasonable level, we try not to get over 105 db, it seems when we push past that, then you start hearing crickets in the morning.

To me thats a problem with most soundmen, I mean i ran sound for a number of years and I was guilty of pushing it a little higher and a little higher all night once ear fatigue set in, thats just a recipe for ringing ears.

But I will say for the most part, my band is very clean and comfortable live in clubs.

That's actually good to know, It brings me hope... : ) Seriously, If I ever get to the point where I start Gigging for real, I'm glad I can rely on the knowledge that I can rock the house without busting eardrums...(Including my own).

Paper, my band has just gotten to the point that the bassist and I adjust our volumes to a comfortable level with the drums, then we use the PA to push the room sound.

When Im home practicing by myself with my stage rig, I play louder than with my band.

At this point the guys that I play with, we have to try to sound bad if that matters, weve played with each other so long and we are all on the same page, they have told me to turn down at times and I did, they have told me to turn up at times, but then they ussually tell me to turn back down, LOL

It will take a few gigs to get a handle on this, hopefully noone in your group is too hard headed to realize that when they blast it too loud, you all sound bad, not good, as Ive said tone is tone, its not dependent on volume. I play big amps, but I get great tone at a reasonable volume level.

It aint rocket science its rock n roll man!