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#152951 by Jahva
Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:27 pm
I'm working on a song called "Falling apart"
Some of the members of my household are telling me I'm ripping off a _________ song.
There are no vocals recorded yet...any thoughts?

#152952 by gbheil
Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:49 pm
After decades of being an avid consumer and a few years of being involved in the composition and creation of music it is hard for me to hear anything that has a rhythmical merit that does not contain some hint or suggestion of a previously composed piece.

I would continue to work on the piece as you see fit and allow the critics to be of themselves concerned an not of yours.

#152953 by Black57
Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:26 pm
I agree with George. Chord progressions can easily sould like other songs because so many songs are created from the same progressions. Pachebel's Canon in D is a good example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wpPk8qk3uQ

The Canon can be played with this tune as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arUpcpRR ... re=related
Last edited by Black57 on Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

#152955 by RGMixProject
Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:33 pm
Nope, not a rip off. You are good to go.
#152957 by PaperDog
Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:26 pm
Jahva wrote:I'm working on a song called "Falling apart"
Some of the members of my household are telling me I'm ripping off a _________ song.
There are no vocals recorded yet...any thoughts?


Jeff, First, I like the structure in general. In that structure , there is a similarity to Radio Head's " Karma Police". (Progression in the first to chords, takes it to a familiar direction, and the conclusive cornering to the middle part, share the same sense of phrase-summary)

I would not say its a rip-off, though. In fact I defy anybody to prove to me that a room with four walls is a rip-off of another builder's room of four walls. And, for what its worth, Radio-Head's Karma Police ripped off John Lennon's "Sexy-Sadie" in its piano break (Radio Head even admitted it)

I would be careful to articulate your melody (i.e the lyrics) so they don't lend specifically to the Radio-Head vocal signature. Beyond that , I'd say run with it. Tweak where necessary to satisfy the close friends, and 'phuck" the rest of the peanut gallery. :wink:

Finally, regarding the craft of songwriting; It aint plagiarism unless you outright steal the essence of a work and you are bold enough to claim it as your own. A few things need to be in place to call it a rip off:. Lawyers might refer to terms, such as "song-motif" to compare original and nicked work.
CASE: Harrison "My Sweet Lord" vs Chiffons' "He's So Fine": http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm
CASE2: Lennon "Come Together" Vs Levy "You cant Catch me"
http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/lenlevy.htm
CASE 3: Avril Levine "GirlFreind" Vs Tony Basil "Mickey"
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00009927.html

I feel that musicians really need to learn the distinction between principle of structure and musical form. Nobody has a monopoly on principle of structure. Consequently, its pretty likely that a musician will eventually (though un-intentionally) nick somebody else's parts of a work. It happens to everybody... But there are some distinctions, even with that...

You might recall, that when I first signed on to this forum, I got blasted and accused of doing a Beatles rip off: "Bench For two" That song illustrates my point. When I wrote it, I followed a musical principle of structure (that happens to be shared by many good musicians ). I'm not really sure that it actually sounds like anything the Beatles ever "did". But, I'm pretty certain that it contained elements, in principle that they might likely 'do' (if they were still around.) As Such I learned principles from them, (the masters). The outcome happened to ring bells of familiarity to certain listeners, who recognize the styles.

I would say this to all critics...and to all musicians, who write and compose... You can't exceed what's construed as good, until you first meet up to what's construed as good. This is a very critical truth about song writing (IMO) .

So, with that, Jeff, keep on keeping on...I like your stuff and I actually 'get it" :wink:

#152960 by KLUGMO
Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:17 pm
Sounds good to me. Save your prayers IS GREAT. Wish
you were closer. Il'd love to work with you.[/b]

#152961 by Lynard Dylan
Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:03 pm
Steven Tyler said it best when he said he'd stole
everything he'd ever done

#152985 by Jahva
Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:04 pm
Hey thanks for taking the time to listen or at least comment. Your opinions and thoughts do carry some weight with me.

B57,
great observation... I always thought Hook was a brilliant song now I know why.

P-Dog,
You hit it. Karma Police is my supposed victim. I've actually played my song for years using a capo in the 4th fret and never heard a word about it. I think it had more of a folksy feel and the G chord would sometimes be played as a 7th.
Recently I tried working it in standard tuning. Maybe I'll go back to the capo.
Between my kids and wife we have quite a variety of music being played in the house and everybody is a critic and or player. Tough Crowd :roll:

Klugmo,
Thanks if i ever figure out the on-line collaboration thing, we could probably do something. I have a couple of short songs I think might be up your alley. Kinda countryish out of the box for me :wink: .

#152993 by Sir Jamsalot
Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:04 pm

#153028 by PaperDog
Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:08 am
SirJamsalot wrote:is it one of these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43asr0JBjiQ


This cracks me up... I bet the songs that use that are enough to create a whole radio station around it.. ( "Your listening to 4KRD Fm..."

It might even be the only station where commercials are considered a relief Heh!

#153042 by Starfish Scott
Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:31 pm
Record the whole thing.

Then listen to it.

Does it seem like you are ripping someone off now?

There would be your answer.

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