General Music Chat

This genre has lost the sense of tunefulness... which most of us have otherwise, become accustomed to.
The line between "Song" and "Prose with melody" has become very blurry.

It would seem today, that the music industry has become inundated with too many bullies, each telling the other how it "should all be".

As a result, most musicians don't give themselves permission to be tuneful and melodic, for fear that they will be accused of sounding gay. As such, they deprive themselves of some pretty awesome beauty through song. (The kind of beauty that can get a fella laid by a continent of women)

What many don't realize, is that music is not gender specific. Therefore, it cannot really be construed as anything gay. Its simply a wave of expression, slave to the the gender that emits it. Regardless, it speaks to all points of human existence and life. That includes Mind, heart, soul, and body.

The trouble with screamo is that its a very narrow, hair-line sliver of the big universe pie. It short-changes itself of a broader range of bliss.
Not saying its wrong...Just saying its incredibly limited, and it illustrates that not everyone can be a real musician.

just like grunge....was

And I thought it was nobody could understand a damn thing they were saying.

What do you mean by Screamo?

It makes me think of the silly "metal" bands whose music sounds like soundtracks for B horror movies and they "growl" the lyrics and all sound the same.

Talbot

What do you mean by Screamo?

It makes me think of the silly "metal" bands whose music sounds like soundtracks for B horror movies and they "growl" the lyrics and all sound the same.

Talbot

Damn you almost had it figured out. The big difference is that at the end of the night, someone in the band goes home with a sore throat. ( during flue season this figure is subject to change).

There is good music and bad music in every genre and it's all a matter of taste as well. It's also all about being on stage and playing and it's the younger people that are still paying to see the shows these days. I play in a hardcore melodic metal band, yes with growls and screams and personally I would rather be gigging every weekend in large venues with high energy young audiences and actually making a buck than playing covers in bars to a few 50 year old fat ladies in stretch pants doing the shimmy.

But Glen needs his stretch pants.

There is good music and bad music in every genre and it's all a matter of taste as well. It's also all about being on stage and playing and it's the younger people that are still paying to see the shows these days. I play in a hardcore melodic metal band, yes with growls and screams and personally I would rather be gigging every weekend in large venues with high energy young audiences and actually making a buck than playing covers in bars to a few 50 year old fat ladies in stretch pants doing the shimmy.

No Argument about a young paying paying audience. If I was doing gigs I 'd feel the same exact way. About those growls & Screams...They have a place in expression...(Plant did them very tastefully in some of his songs) But I would not bank on wide/mass appeal of any song that is built solely on growls & screams (Small audience is the exception). BTW I can't prove it, but I suspect that the 50 year old cougars are giving away that money to the young kids that pay to see the shows... I'm guessing it would be clever to make sure the song list pays a little hommage to them... A little Stevie Ray Vaughn would not go un-appreciated... and might secure a steady allowance for those kids... for many gigs to come...

Mike

It doesn't work for me but though I listen to a fair amount of it because while I don't like the vocal at all some of the instrumental is pretty decent. I'm attracked by Metal in general because it seems instrument wise to be pretty sophisticated and hence a musical challenge.

My problem with the growling stuff is my Sat channel for metal plays way too much of it. I like the more conventional stuff - Megadeth etc.

Glad to hear you're working and getting it done.

Talbot

I agree there is good and bad in all genres. I just feel some like to nitpick. If you wish to travel a road paved with that logic. Please do consider a lot of singers (of all genres), do sound the same. As well as a lot of bands (of all genres), sound the same. It is only the select singer, and select band, that will make it past that. Because if every singer/band were so unique (additionally to being remotely any sort of "good"), everyone that was in the business would be famous rockstars. And are they? Nope. So I think its silly to point at one subject, and go blah blah, on. Tunnel vision in logic is never a beneficial endeavor. When referencing a subject it is good to note points across the board. Even singers who don't growl/scream can suck or sound the same. Along with the rest of the laden trash. =)

Though it does amuse me highly when people do this. Reminds me in form how people then look at race, sex, creed, and so forth. People in general detest looking at all areas of the spectrum for which they refer. However, that's for another day, and most certainly not for internet debates. Which I feel are even more pointless.

As such herein lays my thought and also the end of it. (My 2 cents as you will.)

I agree there is good and bad in all genres. I just feel some like to nitpick. If you wish to travel a road paved with that logic. Please do consider a lot of singers (of all genres), do sound the same. As well as a lot of bands (of all genres), sound the same. It is only the select singer, and select band, that will make it past that. Because if every singer/band were so unique (additionally to being remotely any sort of "good"), everyone that was in the business would be famous rockstars. And are they? Nope. So I think its silly to point at one subject, and go blah blah, on. Tunnel vision in logic is never a beneficial endeavor. When referencing a subject it is good to note points across the board. Even singers who don't growl/scream can suck or sound the same. Along with the rest of the laden trash. =)

Though it does amuse me highly when people do this. Reminds me in form how people then look at race, sex, creed, and so forth. People in general detest looking at all areas of the spectrum for which they refer. However, that's for another day, and most certainly not for internet debates. Which I feel are even more pointless.

As such herein lays my thought and also the end of it. (My 2 cents as you will.)

Actually, the Null- Hypothesis model requires a 'tunnel vision', so to speak, in order to rule out fallacies or mis-logic... (but thats for another conversation, maybe in some science forum)

Now, I was listening to your third sample "Amon Amarth", which is a nice dark theme, replete with demonic growling as the primary texture in your lyric. This is actually a tasteful package of song. The Guitar work, the underlying body and gesture of the song tells its story succinctly, is consistant and true to form. The growling seems to be a cool 'effect' rather than a central point and purpose of the song (Which is a good) . My comments about Screamo attempted to point out that some of it is all about the scream and growl... (which would bore the crap out me and many other listeners)

In your song, the vocal track itself seemed a tad disconnected from the backing (Technical note)...like maybe it was laid on top/over, rather than 'Into' the mix) ...Just My observation...

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Not sure exactly what the problem is, but I will say that a great deal of these type of bands sound alike. Personally, I don't mind the newer metal. For the most part, the musicians are usually pretty damn good. That being said, which sub-genre is screamo? Please explain. Is'nt it basically metalcore or is it emo-core? Not sure myself?

Hey JIMMY, I don't have any problem with stretch pants, except they really stretch in the front. To bad yours don't.

Not sure exactly what the problem is, but I will say that a great deal of these type of bands sound alike. Personally, I don't mind the newer metal. For the most part, the musicians are usually pretty damn good. That being said, which sub-genre is screamo? Please explain. Is'nt it basically metalcore or is it emo-core? Not sure myself?

In my Haste, I failed to consider precisely who/what the screamo actually are. I know I've heard them on and off... and I know generally that I never want to hear them again...(Don't get me wrong, I have a deep abiding respect for metal..but in this case, Its a lot of primal rage, within the metal core from what I gather. Perhaps I called it wrong? I would not call any of it Emo-core, Strange as it sounds, I always thought emo was the "intellectual metal, or Goth HA hA!. In any case if thats true, then I'm guessing Screamo might be a deliberate anti-thesis to emo