My experience as a traveling artist has led me to believe that our country is inferior to Europe. It has now been 2 years since I was in Europe traveling with my band and it still amazes me when I try and compare our musical culture to their's. First off you should know that all of Europe's independent venues are government funded. Also, every band that plays at any public venue has to sign a release stating all of the song titles that you plan on playing for that performance, and if any of them are cover songs you are obligated to pay a percent of your earnings to the band that you are covering. I think that this is amazing, what a great system.
More than anything though, the hospitality of show promoters goes above and beyond any thing that I have ever seen here, well, at least for independent bands. The group that I was in was not on any kind of label, and we managed to tour Germany, The Netherlands, and Austria for 18 days a come home with around 1800 Euros. Not only did we get paid every show, but we were provided a place to stay, and the places we stayed had dinner and breakfast for us. If you are a promoter bringing in out of town acts and you have the means to provide food, and not just like pizza, I'm talking about cooking a meal, then you should take advantage of your resources and do this because the bands that you are working with will get the word out about you, and this small task will be so highly appreciated that bands are going to want to come to you and your town.
I feel like I'm rambling a bit now, but basically we need to start taking care of our touring bands alot better because it is hard out on the road. Food and Room and Board adds up quickly, so if you can, arrange a place for the bands you bring in a place to stay, and feed them good.
Support your fellow artist,
CallyGull
Business Degree
Just in case you don't make it to the bottom of the forum, I wanted to post my response to the last 48 responses. By the way, I am really surprised by the negative reaction to government funding for the arts. FUNDING FOR THE ARTS...THE ARTS....ARTS!!!!!
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Wow! I didn't realize that this post would start such a controversy. First off, thanks for the replies and the opinions. I just need to clarify about the gov. funding. It's not like there are government employees running the venues. Here is an example. You and your friend find this old building for sale, or lease or something, and it is in the heart of your town's art scene. Now, you nor your friend could afford it, but you know that if you had the building you could create a good atmosphere for people to come and hang out, and enjoy good music. In your current situation you have only one option, keep dreaming. In Europe, you have the ability to create a government proposal that this building could be used for an Art Venue and could attract lots of kids, and adults. Now, you have the money to start a venue and even a monthly "fund" that you could put towards generating art for your community. That doesn't sound so bad does it? You all are acting like it would be bull sh!t, and the government is going to come in and take over the venue and only let Nickleback, and f&cking Stained play there. Government funding, that would mean that more "independent" artist could get paid, and paid well when they came through your town, which creates more bands that aren't trying to get by playing the same bars every weekend and playing crappy cover songs.
And that is another thing. I thought the payment for the rights of songs is awesome. If you write a song, wouldn't you want to get paid a little something if somebody else is making money off performing your stuff? YES! And also, it's not like you have to have your whole set documented before you go on stage, sorry if I stated it that way before. Basically, either before you start or when you get done, you have to sign a paper that has a list of the songs that you played. This doesn't restrict you from jamming, or improvising, it just documents that you didn't perform a Bon Jovi song, or whoever. And it's not some Suit coming up to you saying, "Hey, are you going to be playing any covers tonight you little sh!ts." Everytime it was the dude that ran the "independent venue" who was usually wearing more black than us, and had more tattoos that the whole band put together. So you guys are obviously scared of any type of improvements in our art culture. Oh how I wish we were government funded. If we were, your band, and mine would be touring right now getting paid, and you wouldn't be stuck at your dead end job trying to figure out how to come up with money to get out on the road to do what you love. Or even worse, you have never had the opportunity to get out and tour where you don't even know this wonderful love. (by the way, it's much better than any woman could ever give you. Yep, the road don't let you down.)
Thanks to Irminsul, she is obviously one of the few on here who have seen the proper way music is supported in some places.
More than anything though, the hospitality of show promoters goes above and beyond any thing that I have ever seen here, well, at least for independent bands. The group that I was in was not on any kind of label, and we managed to tour Germany, The Netherlands, and Austria for 18 days a come home with around 1800 Euros. Not only did we get paid every show, but we were provided a place to stay, and the places we stayed had dinner and breakfast for us. If you are a promoter bringing in out of town acts and you have the means to provide food, and not just like pizza, I'm talking about cooking a meal, then you should take advantage of your resources and do this because the bands that you are working with will get the word out about you, and this small task will be so highly appreciated that bands are going to want to come to you and your town.
I feel like I'm rambling a bit now, but basically we need to start taking care of our touring bands alot better because it is hard out on the road. Food and Room and Board adds up quickly, so if you can, arrange a place for the bands you bring in a place to stay, and feed them good.
Support your fellow artist,
CallyGull
Business Degree
Just in case you don't make it to the bottom of the forum, I wanted to post my response to the last 48 responses. By the way, I am really surprised by the negative reaction to government funding for the arts. FUNDING FOR THE ARTS...THE ARTS....ARTS!!!!!
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Wow! I didn't realize that this post would start such a controversy. First off, thanks for the replies and the opinions. I just need to clarify about the gov. funding. It's not like there are government employees running the venues. Here is an example. You and your friend find this old building for sale, or lease or something, and it is in the heart of your town's art scene. Now, you nor your friend could afford it, but you know that if you had the building you could create a good atmosphere for people to come and hang out, and enjoy good music. In your current situation you have only one option, keep dreaming. In Europe, you have the ability to create a government proposal that this building could be used for an Art Venue and could attract lots of kids, and adults. Now, you have the money to start a venue and even a monthly "fund" that you could put towards generating art for your community. That doesn't sound so bad does it? You all are acting like it would be bull sh!t, and the government is going to come in and take over the venue and only let Nickleback, and f&cking Stained play there. Government funding, that would mean that more "independent" artist could get paid, and paid well when they came through your town, which creates more bands that aren't trying to get by playing the same bars every weekend and playing crappy cover songs.
And that is another thing. I thought the payment for the rights of songs is awesome. If you write a song, wouldn't you want to get paid a little something if somebody else is making money off performing your stuff? YES! And also, it's not like you have to have your whole set documented before you go on stage, sorry if I stated it that way before. Basically, either before you start or when you get done, you have to sign a paper that has a list of the songs that you played. This doesn't restrict you from jamming, or improvising, it just documents that you didn't perform a Bon Jovi song, or whoever. And it's not some Suit coming up to you saying, "Hey, are you going to be playing any covers tonight you little sh!ts." Everytime it was the dude that ran the "independent venue" who was usually wearing more black than us, and had more tattoos that the whole band put together. So you guys are obviously scared of any type of improvements in our art culture. Oh how I wish we were government funded. If we were, your band, and mine would be touring right now getting paid, and you wouldn't be stuck at your dead end job trying to figure out how to come up with money to get out on the road to do what you love. Or even worse, you have never had the opportunity to get out and tour where you don't even know this wonderful love. (by the way, it's much better than any woman could ever give you. Yep, the road don't let you down.)
Thanks to Irminsul, she is obviously one of the few on here who have seen the proper way music is supported in some places.
Last edited by CallyG on Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.