General Music Chat

I wasn't glamourizing the job. Only that they do what they believe in. Wheather it is a noble cause or not. That is why I say if we have to do battle for what ever the reason. We should go in with full force and get it over the first day, rather than drag it out with what winds up to be an endless war. I believe that if you hit the enemy 'HARD'. They will probably be hesitant to come back at you. Especially if they no longer exsit. And any potential enemy would probably think twice before attacking in the future fearing the same result. If that were the way we do it, then there wouldn't be a need for an oversized military force.
Political Correctness is one of the causes the long protracted wars.
Bullies don't play the game of us trying to make nice with 'peace, love and understanding. If you don't take care of the 'school yard bully' he'll keep comming back on you.
Human nature is the same on the school yard or on the world stage!
It would be nice if we had a perfect world... But sorry to say we Don't!

Oh, BTW Hayden.. Good tunes you have. Well Done

Phil I wouldn't trust the NY times if they posted my face on the front cover saying I was the prettiest stud alive.

Gee, Glen. I thought you would be behind a news organization that says waterboarding is torture, except when America does it.

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/09/ne ... water.html

Ah, so, Glen - you would choose to work for a smaller outfit, like, say, Toy R Us, or Dollar General...owned by KKR, owned by one of the largest corp's in the world.

The problem woth your idea, is that you don't really know WHO owns whatever co you may work for, & when you go out of your way to FIND that independent co, there are no assurances that it will remain independent. And these days, I can promise you, you'll stick with a job, rather than go hopping around, cuz there are DAMNED few lilly pads out there to land on, & they're getting smaller & smaller by the day, too (as in fewer bennies & lower pay).

America is NOT broke. There is LOTS of money in this country. It's just been redistributed so that it's out of your hands, & tere are folks out there who's job it is to make sure that it never returns to your grubby lil paws.

Phil I choose to only work for my self. However our government has become a particularly greedy, permanent partner, that is stealing from my till on a continuous and regular basis. If the government was off my back I would have a lot more to help the people the government won't or can't.

If someone chooses to work for Walmart that is their choice. They must also accept the consequences of that choice. That is why I will never work for Walmart,,, I don't want limitations. Jimi Hendrix didn't want limitations. None of us need the limitations on our own free will. When people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is freedom. Thomas Jefferson. AMEN.

Ah, c'mon! You fear the gov't as much or more than a lot of ppl, from what I see of your posts.

As far as havig the freedom to work for WalMart or pass, those decisions are being removed from you daily, as more & more co's are going the route of Wisc. It doesn't matter WHERE you work, if the returns & policies & lack of bennies are the same across the board.

And big biz just keeps pluggin' along, suckin' up everything in sight...

Oh yes I forgot this was about Wisconsin. This has spiraled into the most ridiculous state of affairs. The state is BROKE. State senators have fled the state instead doing the representative job,they were elected to do. Protesters are climbing through windows to disrupt the state assembly. !5% of population was being asked to back down, and now they are about to erupt into total violence. They are educated people that have been sucked into one of the worst corporations in America. Big government.

This should be interesting, STAY TUNED.

Ah, c'mon! You fear the gov't as much or more than a lot of ppl, from what I see of your posts.

As far as havig the freedom to work for WalMart or pass, those decisions are being removed from you daily, as more & more co's are going the route of Wisc. It doesn't matter WHERE you work, if the returns & policies & lack of bennies are the same across the board.

And big biz just keeps pluggin' along, suckin' up everything in sight...

NO they are not. I will never work for anyone but myself. As far as fearing the government, that will never happen. It's supposed to be my government.
Put me in any other place in the world, I would be dead already.

You have it all wrong, it is big government that sucks up every dollar and returns 10 cents after all the waste and corruption. Walmart at least sells goods at prices prices people like. On top of that, on line photos of some of there shoppers are funnier than anything I've ever seen.

Yep. Them Brits & Canadians & Australians & Denmarkians & Swedes & Swiss would all have killed you by now, Glen...for speaking your mind.



60% of the Wisc population are very concerned, & want the union left alone, from what I've read. The guv has just effectively killed them in spite of the ppl's desires. He has also recently lied about his platform during his campaign, saying he promised these actions, yet he cannot point to a single remark he made referring to this.

This doesn't look the least bit underhanded to you?

These are indeed "interesting times." I'm sorry to be living through them...but it's all I got.

Imho, this is a terrible time to be an American.

Sad times for sure. All is not lost but society as we knew as children may be long gone.

I still think the Hitler video was funny, even after my third glass of wine tonight. What acting and the sub titles suberb.

Yep. Them Brits & Canadians & Australians & Denmarkians & Swedes & Swiss would all have killed you by now, Glen...for speaking your mind.



60% of the Wisc population are very concerned, & want the union left alone, from what I've read. The guv has just effectively killed them in spite of the ppl's desires. He has also recently lied about his platform during his campaign, saying he promised these actions, yet he cannot point to a single remark he made referring to this.

This doesn't look the least bit underhanded to you?

These are indeed "interesting times." I'm sorry to be living through them...but it's all I got.

Imho, this is a terrible time to be an American.

Yes they all would. People in those countries will never understand that stealing from the rich to give to the poor is wrong. Allowing the rich to give freely out freedom of choice is right. If a poor man receives money for nothing you have taken away his self worth, If a poor man is allowed the opportunity to achieve through a rich mans "job" , he has been given way more than money.

I guess this would have never been an issue if government jobs were never unionized to begin with. Federal employees have many protections and are not unionized. BY LAW. The other side of this is a union such as the MTA here in NY. They are sucking small business dry from all sorts of taxation.
Don't have a job here, Thank the MTA union. Just another big government run sector that is another Tax and spend example.

Stop being so humble. These are great American times and you have much to offer.

Sad times for sure. All is not lost but society as we knew as children may be long gone.

Only if you quit.

You keep going back to the MTA as if it truly exemplifies everything in gov't vs the private sector. Your troubles aren't the only ones around.

You have blinded yourself to far too many things in your "personal responsibility" zeal, which is a common misconception of ppl on the right who don't have a lot of $.

You're refusing to see beyond your front door at what's really been going on, Glen. You still think the old rules apply. The rules aren't being appliied at ALL to the haves, Glen, & more are being dumped on you daily by them....whether they be elephants or asses. one side wants to stomp you to death & squeeze everything out of you, & the other wants to keep kicking you until you cannot rise to stand anymore. There is no one looking out for your interests in our society - certainly NOT the mega-corps or the gov't they own.

No matter how you try, how hard you work, or how inventive you become in your approach, "they" are steadily stacking the deck against you day by day, with misinformation & propaganda (that good ol' "American dream"), all while their favorite mouthpieces get really good wages to lie to you, as their masters steal your country & your very ability to make a living out from under you.

As it stands - your food, your clothing, your fuel, your very health & your land are all in the hands of ppl that want to enslave you - NOT just sell you their goods. They have what you need, & they want to live high on the hog because of it, all at your expense...AND they want to KEEP you from obtaining the slightest bit of control over any aspect of your life, as they go about ruling you. They will destroy you rather than give up one iota of control that hey've nefariously obtained thus far, & yes, they will happily kill you before allowing you any sort of self rule, either by withholding the goods or services that you NEED TO LIVE, or by doing it outright, & as their control grows, the cost of either method becomes more equal. by the day.

You don't seem to understand what's at stake, or what's even happening, as they whittle away at everything, with their claims of necessity & promises of a better future, as long as YOU are willing to give them more & more & even more of your time, your money, your freedom, &, of course, your labor.

Michigan Republicans create "financial martial law"; appointees to replace elected local officials
Cory Doctorow at 4:47 AM Fri
Republican Michigan governor Rick Snyder, along with the state's Republican house and senate, have passed a controversial bill that allows the governor to dissolve the elected governments of Michigan's towns and cities, replacing them with unaccountable "emergency financial managers" who can eliminate services, merge or eliminate school boards, and lay off or renegotiate unionized public employees without recourse. Republican senator Jack Brandenburg -- who supported the measure -- calls it "financial martial law."

While local governments are subject to electoral recall by residents, the "managers" the governor appoints will answer only to the state legislature. There are no limits to the salary "managers" may draw (an amendment that would have limited their compensation to $159,000, which is the governor's own salary, was defeated).

"Managers" will be able to govern as they see fit. Practically speaking, this opens the door to the kind of "governance" we've seen in occupied Iraq, where high-paid appointees who don't answer to the governed get to award no-bid contracts to their pals, with little or no oversight or control.

Michigan Senate passes emergency manager bills (via Reddit)

You guys are to serious. Maybe we should go back and live under The Code of Hammurabi, now that's serious.