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Thought crimes anyone?
what next... arrest her she said she wants to see me dead and I have witnesses... now you better not get mad at your spouse or sibling and say something like that in the heat of the moment, it'll make you a criminal.

Doesn't anybody remember what life was like in a free country?

Before the media convinced us all that crime is on every corner and everything bad that's going on is our fault?

Thought crimes anyone?
what next... arrest her she said she wants to see me dead and I have witnesses... now you better not get mad at your spouse or sibling and say something like that in the heat of the moment, it'll make you a criminal.

Doesn't anybody remember what life was like in a free country?

Before the media convinced us all that crime is on every corner and everything bad that's going on is our fault?

Uh, actually, that CAN get you arrested. Always has. Police take those threats seriously. You're not a child anymore. So, when you threaten to "kill someone," even if you didn't really mean it, that could get you sent to jail if someone takes you literally.

Thought crimes anyone?
what next... arrest her she said she wants to see me dead and I have witnesses... now you better not get mad at your spouse or sibling and say something like that in the heat of the moment, it'll make you a criminal.

Doesn't anybody remember what life was like in a free country?

Before the media convinced us all that crime is on every corner and everything bad that's going on is our fault?

Uh, actually, that CAN get you arrested. Always has. Police take those threats seriously. You're not a child anymore. So, when you threaten to "kill someone," even if you didn't really mean it, that could get you sent to jail if someone takes you literally.

The only thing the Police take seriously are people they don't like.

Giving up any rights for the illusion of security is not acceptable for any reason.

I will have strong opinions in opposition to many. That does not give them the right to silence me. What can be done to me can be done to YOU.

This man is responsible for his own actions. Unless you are wanting me to beleive:

The beatles are responsible for the Manson Family slaughtering the tates.

Marilyn Manson is responsible for Columbine

Eminem is responsible for Columbine

Dune and Quake traind the assholes who committed the atrocities at Columbine.

Slayer is responsible for a kid's suicide in the 80's

A dog is responsible for the son of Sam.

This guy was a psychopath and had actually WORKED ON GIFFORD'S CAMPAIGN as a volunteer in 2007. (or there about) He stalked her.

If you are willing to accept all the above as true, then by all means blame talk radio and right wing rhetoric. Then be ready to face the harsh realities of what both sides have done.

There are always delusional people looking to blame inanimate objects, celebrities and opposing ideas for atrocities in order to limit the freedom of the American people. The Patriot act is one... Gun bans by Clinton another. The "fairness" doctrine another. Both sides fighting to take away our freedom while we slaughter each other. You are delusional if you think crazy people will stop doing crazy things if you have the satisfaction of silencing everyone opposed to your narrow minded point of view. I almost lost my job because some f**k lefty decided they would yell at ME about carrying a gun today. He called me out in public for "carrying a messenger of death". He said I was no better than the idiot who tried to kill Giffords. (I did not have the gun on me, he just knew from casual conversation in the past)

Is that the kind of people here? If so i am f**k done. I had to walk away because had I answered him honestly he would have done something stupid that would ahve required me to take action to protect myself. Him and his buddy pushing me with thier chests, trying to make me react.

So do not tell me how lefties act. If I were a less tolerent man, I could have screamed for the witnesses that my life was in danger and done what my inner animal so desperately wanted to do. With my bare hands. But I chose not to do it. I leave them in thier ignorance.

Somebody tell me that I do not have to do the same here.

You don't have to do it here.
Half of the posters are idiots.
If they aren't idiots, they are trolls.
The rest are good people with differing opinions and beliefs.

I lived for a time with my former fiance, in her best friends house.
Her son went to columbine, but dropped out.
He knew Dylan.
I met him, and saw him a few times.
I suppose, 'Knew him casually'.
There was nothing about him that made me ever think, "...That kid is gonna snap some day and do horrible things."

"I've got them in my sights", is a figure of speech.

Take one part printed figure of speech, one part stupid reality show where a woman likes to shoot at animals, and one part crazy person, and you get unfortunate tragedy soup.

Just wanted to post some relevant news from yesterday: Giffords was able to raise her hand in a thumbs up. She is stable with no change.


Also wanted to add this article from a local branch of a very Liberal paper:
(I do not agree with everything said in the article, but the over all message is clear)

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valley ... oric_w.php

The attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, the incidental execution of Arizona's Chief federal judge, the collateral killing of five bystanders, including a child, and the deranged wounding of 13 politically curious civilians is not the result of the First Amendment's perversion by talk radio, Sarah Palin or the recent emergence of vitriolic speech.


Hateful speech, in point of fact, has not emerged with Republicans; it preceded tar and feathers in America.

The suggestion that yesterday's carnage in Tucson, Arizona, is the result of words gone wrong trivializes the bloodshed and ignores a grotesque reality.

The civil society advocates cloud the fundamental issue of Giffords' shooting: mental health.


​The crazy who roam our streets without notice or treatment, not loudmouths, are the menace.
Jared Loughner attempted to get into the army of the United States. He was rejected, according to an early television report following a mental health evaluation. He was too crazy to go kill the Taliban, but he was simply fine to wander around amongst the rest of us.

Now the army has muzzled up. It won't speak any longer about why Jared Loughner was rejected. An organization that we arm and send across the world to shoot its way through Iraq and Afghanistan is too worried about civility and privacy to use its words.
Instead, the military turned Loughner loose upon the rest of us.

Jared Loughner was thrown out of Pima Community College because he was so menacingly disturbed. Loughner was told he could not come back to the junior college unless he saw a mental health counselor.

He was too crazy for the community college, so administrators simply turned him back into the community.

Civility is not the issue.

The shallow, self-serving calls for the moderation of rhetoric, for the elimination of passionate politics, for the muzzling of the Tea Party's adoption of an American symbol of the revolution -- a gun -- is a hypocritical repudiation of this nation's particular embrace of principle.

It forgets the aggressive ideals of the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. Such calls for Norman Rockwell's vocabulary is the sugar coating of the struggle for equality that remembers only Martin Luther King Jr. and forgets H. Rap Brown, Stokely Carmichael, and the Malcolm X.

It remembers Hubert Humphrey but forgets Abbie Hoffman. It memorializes Mothers for Peace but forgets Students for a Democratic Society.

But the sanitizing of our contentious history is small beer.

In 1971, a University of Arizona graduate, Geraldo Rivera, exposed the scandalous conditions in Willowbrook, a mental institution in New York.

Rather than triggering reform, Rivera's report began the abandonment of the mentally ill, who were dumped upon the streets of America, where they remain.

In Arizona, as in much of this nation, the single largest source of mental health treatment, such as it is, occurs in jail.

America's refusal to address mental illness institutionalized homelessness and yields a deadly cocktail of rampant drug abuse and violence that we are too civil to discuss frankly (In San Francisco a census of the homeless population was crippled when auditors were not allowed to ask street people if they were homeless because these words were not considered civil.)

The problem isn't outspoken and outrageous Tea Party remarks; the problem is the silent majority. (When people step over the line, arrest them. But for crying out loud, The New York Times editorialized today against someone hanging a politician in effigy).

The problem isn't that Sarah Palin asked the faithful to reload.

The problem is mental illness.

The problem isn't the Second Amendment.

The problem is that we have let crazy people exercise the Second Amendment.

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