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#132499 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:28 am
jimmydanger wrote:I never said $500K a year makes you rich, although it's a lot more money than any of us make. I just said that I would be for allowing the the cutoff to be raised to 500K. If you make more than that than do your duty and pay your fair share.


Since when did God die and you are now in charge of what is "FAIR"

God only asks for 10 cents on a dollar. If you have more to give that won't buy you a front row seat in heaven, but it will help someone in need.

I guess we should all just give up our free will to governmental thinkers like you.

WRONG.
#132503 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:43 am
jimmydanger wrote:If the Republicans don't want to maintain the tax cuts for the middle class only, then let everyone's tax go up! I'm tired of rich people not paying their fair share. It may cost me an extra few hundred, but it will cost them 50K.


This is your continuous tax theme. Of course you are tired. The interest on your tax dollars is beginning to FAR exceed any tax base that can established.

I hope you have some food stored, because, your thinking is leading us right down the path of global riots were a jar of peanut butter will be worth more than an ounce of gold.

Tax the rich, yeah, WE are already in so deep that if you stole every penny from them it wouldn't begin to pay the interest due.

Imagine that, we are running out of money,,,, thats gonna put a big hole in tax and entitle policies. You have succeeded in killing the golden goose.

#132525 by jimmydanger
Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:56 am
Bah. The rich make $250 billion a year. 25% of that is 62 billion. Won't pay off the national debt but it's a good start. And Glenny the goose died long ago; we ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

#132546 by philbymon
Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:22 pm
I dunno. It isn't all that unfair to pay back into the system that made you so successful, is it?

We tax regular folks to death with "capital gains taxes" if they should sell a property at a modest profit. A friend of mine just sold some property. He paid $6K for it, way back when. He sold it for $50K. They taxed him as if the profit he made was in current dollar amounts, with that damned capital gains sh*t. He lost about $15K in the deal, thanks to an over-eager tax system which is designed to keep regular folks down. The rich guy funnels stuff this way & that, & has a whole world of ways to alter things to avoid paying that same tax, but the regular guy must pay it, at the time of the sale, with zero chances of getting out of it. We lose. They win.

If the system has given them such opportunities, has made it so easy, once they reach a certain level of income, that they can afford to lose tens or even hundreds of thousands without altering thier lifestyles, then THEY should be the ones paying the extra taxes, NOT the little guy who can hardly afford it...or has done things that SHOULD be helping him on his way to retirement.

Us regular folk are the ones that constantly get it taken away when we make a forward step. When you get to THEIR income levels, you get to keep it all.

That, ladies & gents, is BS in a corrupt system. No other way to put it, or to SEE it, unless you put blinders on.

#132586 by gtZip
Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:16 am
Just hide all your money in PayPal.

Hack a banking system, transfer digits to bank in caymans. Leave sinking ship.

:wink:

#132593 by jimmydanger
Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:32 am
Rats are always the first to leave a sinking ship. I will stay and fight to keep it afloat, but if necessary I will go down with it, because that is what captains do.

#132601 by philbymon
Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:00 am
I'm just want out...but I can't afford it right now...I think I'll thumb my way into India & run a 7-11 over there...or maybe get a gardener's job in Mexico...maybe I should try to get a UN interpreter's job, interpreting American to English...but then I'd hafta learn English 1st...it just goes to show ya - it's always something!

#132607 by Starfish Scott
Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:22 pm
GlenJ wrote:Since when did God die and you are now in charge of what is "FAIR"



FAIR comes to town 1x a year and that's the only real definition that exists these days.

#132621 by gtZip
Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:44 pm
jimmydanger wrote:Rats are always the first to leave a sinking ship. I will stay and fight to keep it afloat, but if necessary I will go down with it, because that is what captains do.


Did you just call me a rat, captain?

#132623 by jimmydanger
Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:59 pm
If the glass slipper fits wear it.

#132624 by gtZip
Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:06 pm
jimmydanger wrote:If the glass slipper fits wear it.


You do realize my post was not serious commentary, right?
Right?

#132625 by jimmydanger
Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:16 pm
You must have forgotten your sarcasm tags:

<sar>Give the rich their tax breaks, they're hurting too.</sar>

#132626 by gtZip
Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:20 pm
jimmydanger wrote:You must have forgotten your sarcasm tags:

<sar>Give the rich their tax breaks, they're hurting too.</sar>


Yep

#132634 by lalong
Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:41 pm
The republicans would have us believe that the wealthy simply throw cash to the wind. Contrary the Democrats seem to think if you took money from the rich, the poor would somehow benefit. The blatant fact is they are raping us while they can, buying time as they circle the wagons. We are running towards a point of no possible return and every answer given, is that we will somehow eventually spend our way into prosperity. We just need to run faster.

I agree a large amount of the wealthy supported small business, but a larger part of small business was from when homes were worth at least what you bought them for. Over the years with accumulated equity paid into them, you could take out a loan against that, for a small business, or a better education. The top job providers in our country are businesses that employ less than ten people. Accounting for about half the GDP and over half of the employment for the US. Think about how many friends and neighbors you know personally, that did exactly what I’m talking about. Were they billionaires, millionaires?

The people who’s dream was to own their own hair salon, deli, restaurant, gas station, that’s all those homeowners with enough equity left over, to take a reasonable risk and not lose everything if it failed. Tragic yes, homeless no. So if anyone on the hill had an ounce of sincerity when they spout on about “small business”, the very next thing out of their mouth should be home values, not jobs, not taxes, not green technologies. Because fifty percent of everything else, eventually derives from the pool that hasn’t only gone dry, but is sucking up everything of value around it.

Of course if you bought a home you couldn’t afford, for the purpose of high risk investment. You should by all means lose your shirt and the banks that lent you that money should have eaten it. But for anyone else that purchased a home with a conservative thirty or twenty year mortgage, on a property that appraised more than the purchase price? How about those folks? The immediate response was to prop up the banks. In effect our government will use our tax money to reposes homes from taxpayers, to pay back the banks. They have invested our future in doing just that, not in helping the individual homeowners. That would have paid the banks too, from the bottom up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/29/obama-foreclosure-hamp-cbo_n_789559.html

“The Obama administration will spend less than a quarter of the $50 billion it promised to help homeowners facing foreclosure, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said in a report Monday.”

If fifty percent of our GDP and employment is reliant on businesses that employ ten or less people and small business loans dependant on equity.. where is the equity? The estimate will be one million homes in foreclosure for 2010.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-12/profit-for-banks-dimmed-by-home-equity-loss-seen-at-30-billion.html

In contrast the banks are posting low profits because: “There’s very little recovery for home-equity loans,” Of course not, because when they fell behind in payments you were to friggin busy raping them for every penny and selling the empty shell for cents on the dollar.

Read that again low profits, not losses. Every bank out there that required federal bailout, should be posting a profit of exactly $0. Until them and our government can afford to buy back to the amount of the entire “stimulus”, every home financed through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guidelines in foreclosure. Since those were the government supported institutions dictating the rules on acceptable risk. Those homes should be rented to the purchaser at their current appraised value, until a recovery of at least 80% of their original purchase price.

I’m not saying give them the homes here, just give them a chance at recovery rather than toss them out into the street. When these folks fell behind, the banks thought nothing of outright extortionate fees to recover losses and shake them down of any possible hope of recovery. And dammit I want at least six percent interest on every cent those banks will be paying back. As if "we the people" would ever see that money again.

Personally I don’t think they want a recovery, but a collapse. I wonder how much gold Obama has in his portfolio?

#132656 by gbheil
Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:22 am
I love to beat a dead horse.

Justice damn it.

It's is all for naught if we don't seek justice

Justice does not need modifiers.

Equal justice ?? Bull sh*t. Justice is ALREADY equal.

Social justice ?? I call bull sh*t again. That's just an excuse to shank someone whom you think has it better than you. Petty jealousy.

We must seek justice

All men equal under the law.

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