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#129128 by Shapeshifter
Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:30 pm
Good point, Jimmy.

I think the biggest issue I have is finding bandmates I can trust...I usually end up carrying most of the load, and that is NOT by choice.

#129129 by Mike Nobody
Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:41 pm
jimmydanger wrote:I used to try to micro-manage my life, including my music. Not anymore. A good manager delegates work to people who specialize and lets them go. I still bring the vision but let the musicians I have chosen complete the picture. You must trust yourself and your bandmates.


Well, ya gotta have bandmates first.

#129133 by Krul
Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:10 pm
joseph6 wrote:Good point, Jimmy.

I think the biggest issue I have is finding bandmates I can trust...I usually end up carrying most of the load, and that is NOT by choice.


I feel your pain bro. I didn't mind doing extra when I was in bands where I had a lot of musical input. But I've found out, when you get older, a good number of players tend to be stuck in their ways (or stubborn) and try to get out all the ideas they've had for most of their lives.

Trust is one of the biggest issues I've had. I've had guys who didn't want to contribute equally on financial levels. I hope I never have to hear the dreaded "I'll pay you back" comment again. The day of payment never seems to come.

Second to that is bandmate favoritism.In most four-piece bands I've been in, there always seems to be 2 on two drama....one side trying to get along while the other side just tries to take over.

Damn, not trying to come off as negative, just talking from my experiences. Musicians are a strange bunch of people.
:lol:

#129134 by Krul
Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:13 pm
sanshouheil wrote:Some things should never be compromised.


I almost compromised playing guitar for bass. Is that sad or what?

#129137 by Mike Nobody
Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:18 pm
Kruliosis wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:Some things should never be compromised.


I almost compromised playing guitar for bass. Is that sad or what?


Why not BOTH? I do. Boris does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2BQVmE0Plk

#129138 by Krul
Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:18 pm
Mike Nobody wrote:
joseph6 wrote:Figure out a way to motivate those other people (see my last thread).

Yep. Same boat, Mike.


And for the first time that I can remember, I have to disagree with Jimmy. Compromise is settling...that is not reaching your goal, fulfilling the vision...and in the end, you are the one that is dissatisfied-you gave in, and everyone else got what the wanted.


I've settled and settled and settled, for years.

I'm so fed up with people I may pull a Prince or David Grohl; record everything myself, put the album out, and find people to play it live later.


I've given thought to investing in recording myself and then maybe hiring people to play some shows. Problem is, how am I going to pay anybody when I'm just starting out under a name nobody has ever heard before?

#129139 by Krul
Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:20 pm
Mike Nobody wrote:
Kruliosis wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:Some things should never be compromised.


I almost compromised playing guitar for bass. Is that sad or what?


Why not BOTH? I do. Boris does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2BQVmE0Plk


Ha! Hell yeah! That's the right :idea: !!! :D

#129142 by Mike Nobody
Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:28 pm
Kruliosis wrote:Trust is one of the biggest issues I've had. I've had guys who didn't want to contribute equally on financial levels. I hope I never have to hear the dreaded "I'll pay you back" comment again. The day of payment never seems to come.

I never loan money outside of family.
I’m always broke anyway.

Kruliosis wrote:Second to that is bandmate favoritism. In most four-piece bands I've been in, there always seems to be 2 on two drama....one side trying to get along while the other side just tries to take over.

I can’t recall ever having such a “civil war” mentality happening. But, it’s usually one or two guys who control the band. Most of the time they are micromanaging dictators.

Kruliosis wrote:Damn, not trying to come off as negative, just talking from my experiences.

When someone says I’m too negative I usually ask, “Do want positivity or do you want the truth?”
Kruliosis wrote: Musicians are a strange bunch of people.

Yup.

#129163 by Mike Nobody
Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:06 am
KLUGMO posted this Wonder Girls video in another thread. It reminded me of a Frank Zappa quote, "Music comes from composers—Not Musicians,"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ioFu81MBYw

I would have to admit I’m more of a composer than a musician. What role does a composer play in music anymore? Mainstream pop singers usually have someone else write and perform half of everything for them, which USED to be the norm until a few decades ago. A composer would write the music and either sell it to musicians or “conduct” a band of their own.

Here’s an excerpt from Zappa’s autobiography:

Be regular and orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work. What I do is composition. Composition is a process of organization, in any medium you want. The most important thing in art is The Frame. Anything can be music, but it doesn’t become music until someone wills it to be music, and the audience listening to it decides to perceive it as music. The bassoon is one of my favourite instruments. It’s a great noise—nothing else makes that noise. Whether it’s a rhythm that can be heard or a rhythm that is perceived, i.e. a colour change over time—or a season), it can consumed as music. When someone writes a piece of music, what he or she puts on the paper is a recipe—in a sense that the recipe is not the food, only instructions for the preparation of the food. Music, in performance, is sculpted into something. SOUND is ‘ear-decoded data.’ If you purposefully generate atmospheric perturbations, you are composing. A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules. Lets ALL be composers: 1) Declare your intention to create a ‘composition.’ 2) Start a piece at some time 3) Cause something to happen over a period of time 4) End the piece at some time (or keep it going, telling the audience it is a ‘work in progress’ 5) Get a part time job so you can continue to do stuff like this. I employ a system of weights, balances, measured tensions and releases. A large mass on any material will ‘balance’ a smaller, denser mass of any material, according to the length of the gizmo it’s dangling on, and the ‘balance point’ chosen to facilitate the danglement. Anything, Any Time, Anywhere—for NO reason at all. If a musical point can be made in a more entertaining way by saying a word than by singing a word, the spoken word will win out in the arrangement—unless a non-word or a mouth noise gets the point across faster. “PUTTING THE EYEBROWS ON IT”. After “the eyebrows”, The Attitude. Perform the material with The Attitude AND The Eyebrows, consistently, otherwise, to me, the piece sounds ‘wrong’. “Timbre Rules”. It rules ‘the humour domain’. Put sounds together that tell more than the story in lyrics. TheSynclavier allows me to create and record a type of music that is impossible for human beings to play. The ‘little guy inside the machine’ play them with one-millisecond accuracy—every time. There are things you can do with live musicians that you can’t do with the Synclavier, and vice versa. Music comes from composers—not musicians. The orchestra is the ultimate instrument, and conducting one is an unbelievable sensation. “Conducting” is when you draw ‘designs’ in the nowhere—with a stick, or with your hands—which are interpreted as ‘instructional messages’ by guys wearing bow ties who wish they were fishing. At home, a normal day for me is spent working by myself and not talking to anybody, so I really have to change my life around to go onstage. Stylistically, my approach on the guitar is closest to Guitar Slim, a mid-fifties blues player. His style seemed to be ‘beyond the notes’—it had more to do with the ‘attitude’. I’m not a virtuoso guitar player. A virtuoso can play anything, and I can’t. I can play only what I know. A soloist can go only as far into the ‘experimental zones’ as his rhythm section will allow him to go. The problem lies in the polyrhythms. Either a drummer will play steady time, in which case my line will wonder all over his time, or he will hear the polyrhythms and play inside them. Polyrhythms are interesting only in reference to a steady, metronomic beat—otherwise you’re wallonging in rubato. Just as in diatonic harmony, when upper partials are added to a chord, it becomes tenser, and more demanding of a resolution—the more the rhythm of a line rubs against the implied basic time, the more ‘statistical tension’ is generated. The creation and destruction of harmonic and statistical tensions is essential to the maintenance of compositional drama. I couldn’t even pass an audition to get in my own band. I can’t play guitar and sing at the same time. If a piece intends to actually tell a story, I don’t build an elaborate accompaniment because it gets in the way of the words. Apart from the snide political stuff, which I enjoy writing, the rest of the lyrics wouldn’t exist at all if it weren’t for the fact that we live in a society where instrumental music is irrelevant. Without deviation (from the norm), ‘progress’ is not possible. People who think that classical music is somehow more elevated than ‘radio music’ should take a look at the forms involved—and at who’s paying the bills. To me, II-V-I is the essence of bad ‘white-person-music’. In radio music, timbre rules. It’s amazing that schools still offer courses in musical composition. What a useless thing to spend money on—to learn how to be a modern composer! No matter how good he course is, when you get out, what the f**k will you do for a living? I don’t like schools. I don’t like teachers. A composer’s job involves the decoration of fragments of time

#129164 by Shapeshifter
Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:26 am
Uh, can I get the Cliff Notes? :lol:

#129384 by Mike Nobody
Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:07 am
I tried out a guitarist / multi-instrumentalist (no thanks to Bandmix). I wasn't really looking for one. But, I saw his ad in Craigslist and he sounded like someone good to work with. We hit it off pretty well, aside from his being allergic to our cats (yikes!). He's still scheduled to audition for some other bands. Not sure if he just wants to fill-in part-time or join full-time. Either way, we could use a backup if someone is incapacitated.

Like right now, my common-law-wife / guitarist / keyboardist has her hand in bandages. Luckily, it is not broken (again). But, the swelling is putting pressure on some nerves and she can't use her hand without a lot of painkillers.

A drummer in Detroit wants the three of us to come over, jam, check each other out, etc. (also, no thanks to Bandmix). Both of these guys are experienced professionals on-stage and in studio. Both are from New Yawk (except the drummer was originally raised in Detroit). The guitarist took my vision thing well, even sat through some old videotapes of us.

I don't really have a proper demo put together, just pieces of detritus scattered around the apartment. The drummer wasn't interested in being sent anything anyway. He prefers meeting up and seeing what happens. Fine by me.

I've kinda kept putting the word out for others in case it doesn't pan out. We'll see.

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