General Music Chat

philby,


This one will get you. There are some establishments that put local music on their jukebox. But the musicians don't get anything but exposure for it.

"At one time, juke boxes were ripped out of bars & destroyed, because they were thought to steal profits from the hard-working musician. "

"As far as SG playing for free goes, that's fine & dandy, as long as he isn't playing a venue that can & should be paying ppl to play."

That is only because I wouldn't want to in the first place. But if I did want to I would. However, I'm not stupid. So why would I waste my time doing such a thing? So it isn't the principle that keeps me from doing something like that, it is my common sense.

To ease any tension, I do not play for free any place clubs pay for music. I have always taken this side of the debate simply because I would if I wanted to. Mainly because I am an anti establishment anti authority type of individual.

I believe that some jerk that came out of his mothers womb with the same rights that all men have, at that point, shouldn't be able to limit my rights and choices I make when most of those Hippocrates's don't obey the rules they make for me themselves.
As in our Neo Nazi Government who heap rules and regulation and all manner of financial burdens on the people who they were elected to represent. Rules and regulations for the populace that they personally exempt themselves from obeying.

So tell me somewhere I can't play and I will try to get a gig there. That would be my credo were I a clubbing musician. Simply because no one has a right to limit my personal freedom by their interpretation of what they decide should be the limits of my freedom of choice.

So I hope no one has taken the slightest offense in the opinions I have. But if you do, then F&*k all of ya that I offend.

Sorry. That's the biker in me taking over my keyboard.

Is that the best you got Slacker [GRAMPS]. If you get mad ya better mean it.

That is what I have been saying so long for so many , and they just don't understand the broken trails that are being left behind for past generations , our generation, our childrens generation , our grand childrens generation, and if there are any future generations beyond that.

"Ask not what your country can do for you ,but ask what you can do for your country. " In his day he was considered an extreme liberal democrat. The country was strong.
WTF happened after that?

Who the F started this post anyway? Something really fishy about it !

I don't want a milion rules and regs being handed down to me as to how to live my life, my business , my FREEDOM .!!

MY Govt is stepping on yours and my GOD given rights as percieved in our Constitution, The last thing we need is more regulation with no merrit.

And this is a Music post.... don't go pointing fingers at me. I didn't do it.

"Is that the best you got Slacker [GRAMPS]. If you get mad ya better mean it."


Nope. I have a lot better. I just try to use a little self control at times.

CCCCome on SLack That was a John Wayne line. Where is you sense of fightin off the bad guys.

I gotta say, for my part this JP fellow is completely knockin this one outta the park.

And my opinions on the matter bear no weight in terms of any existing 'friendships' betwixt myself & other members here...
In other words, no hard feelings.

ps. I'm pretty much a non-gigging fellow(in the classic sense) for the most part anyway.
Thank God my calling lies along other paths...


ooh, while brushing my teeth just now, a few thoughts occur to me:

1) that this theory can easily be applied to just about every walk of life I think.
As in, computer consulting.
I could be upset about the cheapo ads on craigslist/etc for consultants offering a low rate of pay for their 'expert' service.
However, my take on that, is that hey, if someone wishes to cheap out, it's POSSIBLE they'll get what they pay for.
But I'm willing at that point to allow for free enterprise.
I like to think that word of mouth/reputation will speak for itself.

And furthermore, if there's just so many of these types of fellows who do this, and I'm forced to lower my rate, or lose my house because of it...
Well, I either move, or consider some other action like consider a different line of work..or have the wife go to work full time...or sell a kid...or...
I duno, maybe it's my Yankee , "you do what it takes" comin thru, but I feel you just take what yer dealt, and...deal with it accordingly , as it were.

Also, that thing about in the old days, bands took care of each other & all that.
That may be very well true, but hey, in the "old days", we weren't all talking to a ton of other band members we've never met over TCI/IP either!
Point is, things are not the same.

Ok, off to work.
Peace all.

Aw hell...the fact of the matter is, Rich, that that's exactly what we're all doing - bearing it as well as we can...well...except for the bitchin' part.

yeah man..

That requires ALL performers/musicians to be paid at least the minimum wage for EVERY musical performance. That must include the time it takes to load, transport, perform, load and transport equipment after the performance. A typical four set gig often results in about eight hours of LABOR. I'm tired of IDIOTS who play for anything less than minimum wage. It's not FAIR for those of us who deserve at least minimum wgae for our HARD WORK. In effect the vast majority of gigging musicians are working in a completely unregulated industry. It's high time for that to change...

From now on Bob everytime a person goes fishin in a stream,,, federal law will in the future mandate that everyone fishin on the same stream in the same lifetime shall catch exactly the same number and type of fish and furthermore this will all be predecided by federal law under penalty of death.

Furthermore, concerning PARTY BOATS,,,, when ever there is a pool for largest fish this said pool will be shared equally with everyone because under new FED REG 12 730C 51 sub part B :We as a fair social society can have NO fisherman going home feeling that they are the inferior fishermen that they are.

From this day foward ALL American activities will be socialized, EHHR I mean unionized SPECIALLY FISHING

If you slip the dirk into the foramum magnum at about a 45 degree angle they wont even wiggle a little. We call it the rag doll effect ....


Wait ... damn wrong forum again

Minimum wage laws increase unemployment by making it so that anyone who cannot sell their labor for more than the minimum wage is not allowed to work. Either they or their prospective employer would be thrown in jail if they tried to get a job. That is what minimum wage laws are. That they hurt the working poor the most is demonstrable historically and also deductively true.
for a simple explination:
http://mises.org/daily/2130

Violence is not the way to solve complex social problems.
Tu Ne Cede Malice

Hey Fringe, I have to give you a big Chippy KUDOS.
This is way off topic but I have give you major credit at your young age for going out and being involved and using brain.
You had the balls to post some of your music. I'm not going to tell you it is great.... I will tell you I see a young 17 year old musician with potential.
This country needs more great young people to understand their potential.

Hey Fringe, I have to give you a big Chippy KUDOS.
This is way off topic but I have give you major credit at your young age for going out and being involved and using brain.
You had the balls to post some of your music. I'm not going to tell you it is great.... I will tell you I see a young 17 year old musician with potential.
This country needs more great young people to understand their potential.

Thanks for the feedback.

I think we should all get payed SOMETHING for each show. I've only had the opportunity to play 2 shows so far (because all my band members except the one that lives an hour away are sorry as hell) and haven't gotten anything for it. Rush got paid for their first show in like 1968 I believe. I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure that the modern music industry is complete BS. We actually had to pay $50 per band for the last show, that was supposed to be in front of 500+ people but only 40 or so showed up. Gotta hate the state of Georgia if you're anything but a country musician.

I think we should all get payed SOMETHING for each show. I've only had the opportunity to play 2 shows so far (because all my band members except the one that lives an hour away are sorry as hell) and haven't gotten anything for it. Rush got paid for their first show in like 1968 I believe. I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure that the modern music industry is complete BS. We actually had to pay $50 per band for the last show, that was supposed to be in front of 500+ people but only 40 or so showed up. Gotta hate the state of Georgia if you're anything but a country musician.

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."

-- Hunter S. Thompson

If you are past the age of 35 and you are not supporting yourself playing music, I would have to say that ship has sailed, for whatever reason. Best for you to find solace in the joy of making music and stop whining about how much money you're getting paid. In most cases, the main reason that most guys end up as hobbyists is that they didn't have the fortitude to make the sacrifices earlier in life that are required to be a professional, or they just don't have the talent. This is not a personal indictment of anyone, it's an observation made by many many years of involvement in the business. Unfortunately for you ego, the market dictates your value in industry. If you must rely on government interference to raise your pay level, that does not reflect well on your ability as a musician or a businessman. The truth is a bitch.

Yea.. You lost me here man. The whole "past 30" or 35 thing is, and always has been a myth. I've know really great musicians who just couldn't find others to assemble a band good enough for their needs. One person doesn't make a band. It's a collective effort. I know people who made the sacrifices, had the talent, but just found themselves surrounded by others with their own ideas and deficiencies. Having to compromise with idiots just to keep a band rolling. It's really sad to see sometimes.