General Music Chat

"One thing about Country is the ability to bend a vowel and make a line work that way."

Do you not mean "completely mispronounce a word for ease of rhyme or rhythm?" Cuz that's the essense of it, to my ear.

In country, you're able to make a single syllable word into two distinct syllables, or completely change the vowel within the word to force it to rhyme.

Some would call that poetic license, & others would call it cheating, or misusing language.

I call it very handy
Your lyrics change in Moron but musicly it's.
ver cho ver cho ver cho

A chorus repeats lyrical as well as musical content, for the most part. There are slight differences occasionally, but not to this degree, imho. Those lyrical lines you're calling a chorus are totally different every time they come around. The 'outro' is integral to the last verse, & make it different from the rest, I'll grant you, but only on the last word of the verse, with a simple triple tag line exit. It isn't different enough to call a 'bridge,' but it is an outro. The intro repeats every verse, therefore it has become part of it, unless you want to say it goes like this - intro - verse - intro - verse - intro - verse/outro.

Thats cool

You use these patterns whether you realize it or not.
Even you do schphil.
There's no SET pattern, its like shuffling cards.

This is true, there is always a pattern, even if none exists. But, at the same time there is no need for theory unless you are trying to get an "A" in theory class.But, theory did not exist back in the day...it just became a habit out of many trials and errors.

Well...I don't really think I've established a pattern of patterns in my writing...if that makes any sense...(?)

...or Phil Razutto. or Phil Silvers...

How many fish to you need on a wall before you can call it a pattern?

Is one fish a pattern? Do you need two? Three?

Or do you need to have at least two, and at least two different kinds? When does a pattern become a pattern? How simple does it have to be before you stop calling it a pattern?

I don't know man. Maybe we should ask Phil Harris.

One fish has it's own pattern...it's called scales

My understanding of a chorus is that it is just that. A chorus. A portion of song sung in unison by a group.

Over time, since repeated lyrical sections of songs were so often intended for group singing, that also became known as a chorus. I write portions of songs that are repeated only in melody, but not in lyrical content. Usually, it's something I call a "progressive chorus." It's a chorus that changes according to a story line or some other progression of ideas. It isn't always meant to be sung by a group, and in that case I don't consider it a chorus, because it neither repeats, nor is it sung by a group.

Yes, if you look hard enough, there are patterns in everything, but in terms of patterns of verses, choruses, bridges, intros, outros, and everything similarly related, it is possible to write something that has none of these elements repeating, which, in essence, amounts to no pattern.

Maybe we're just splitting semantic hairs. (No anti-semantic comments please!)

Yes it's splitting hairs.Nothing has to repeat noticebly. But the fact that nothing repeats is, in itself, a pattern. You will find though that if you write out your music, you naturally will rely on repeated patterns, cuz writing out music is a bitch. Patterns help to simplify the process.THis is why I like repeated patterns. I really don't write songs and rarely use choruses. But I do like writing in an ABA or ABC, or AABBCCDD etc.kind of format. Depending what I want to achieve in a piece.

For me telling the story is verse.
Summing up the story and the moral of the story is chorus.
Bridge would be looking at the story from another angle or
a statement that emphasises the chorus.