General Music Chat

Very punny, BluesRockFunkJazz. I like it.

I believe your figure-8s refer to Ryborg atoms. In the spirit of armistice, I won't go into it. Suffice it to say I am pro-ton, not anti-ton, and I enjoy my new tron. Moo on!

The ancient Norse peoples believed in and practiced something called "Wyrrding" (literally "wording") which meant using sound to manifest reality, or change things in the physical realm. And yes, if some of you already saw or read "Dune" by Frank Herbert, he stole the idea from the ancients for inclusion into his book. Additionally, the runic alphabet used by the Norse, the physical writing of which is given so much importance for historians and New Age spiritualists, was in fact far down the list from the primary importance - the sound attached to each one. In Norse society, the arguably most powerful member was the "Scaldee" or the Bard, who used sound in both song and magic to effect change for himself or his tribe.

From where I sit, creation begins as a seed in the mind - but sound, especially Music, is a powerful tool to manifest in this, the densest of all worlds.

that is just what i meant, irminsul. thank you. and i had forgotten herbert felt the same way.

In ancient times, sound was believed to have a magical quality. In some cultures, a person had a name not known to the world in general. To know a person's secret name was to control him. Sounds had power. The tale of Rumplestiltskin is a remnant of this belief.

The same applied to deities. There was a concerted effort to disguise a god's true name. The Romans actively sought the true names of enemy deities so they could cajole them to take Rome's sice. The procedure was known as "elicio".

According to E=MC2, matter might be viewed as a standing wave -- rather like a guitar string vibrating within the constrained parameters of nut and bridge.

Gives a different spin to "God SAID, 'Let there be light.'" Ne c'est pas?

that reminds me of what the japanese still practice: not using another's name until given consent.

and also that god's people of biblical times came to be afraid of using his name because of the commandment not to use it in vain, and so jews today avoid using it. i see that as a symbol of leaving his favor, and yet it's just the absence of a sound.

of course that last bit would explain why all things seem connected to music, because it really is a part of us. in a sense we are music, and the notion of sending off vibes makes more sense.

I think music has a lot more to do with creation than anyone knows. I say this because of the similarities between the musical octave and the patterns of activity in the story of creation.

As every musician knows, in the key of C, in common music theory, there are seven exact measures of frequency vibration that represents each note in an octave. The measure between each of these notes are also not the same. Instead, there are mathematical ratios between each of the frequencies in the octave that make each of the notes sound "orderly" as a part of the octave. Between each of these points of order (frequencies of each note) there are whole ranges of frequency that have no such perfect mathematical relationship with the rest of the notes in the octave, and sound chaotic, or disruptive instead. There is no perfect, relative order in them.

The creation story is quite similar. Each of the "instances" of creation, in scripture, take place between morning and evening (and the evening was, and the morning was), meaning they occured only at high noon. So high noon in each of the seven (six plus one) days of creation compare with the exact frequencies of notes in each of the seven notes of the octave.

I think of creation as a time measured by the manifestation of some "cosmic harmonics" wherein, on some level of physics colliding with sound and matter, in the white noise of universal energy, the escalation of an octave of noise took place, resulting in these instances of creative manifestation.

In the relationship of the "heavens" (outer space) to the Earth, certain changes took place as the relative harmonics ascended the scale across one full octave. And at each point of some perfect order, changes took place on a worldwide scale that reflected the creative power of that particular "note" or day of creation.

Sometimes I think Moses made the greatest contribution to musical theory man has ever known.

The seventh day, by the way, is unique to all others, because it simply begins. It never ends.

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I wonder what Tom Cruise would have to say about this?

LMAO!!

Beware the wrath of Xenu! ROTFLMFAO!!!

....and also that god's people of biblical times came to be afraid of using his name because of the commandment not to use it in vain, and so jews today avoid using it. i see that as a symbol of leaving his favor, and yet it's just the absence of a sound......

Aye. Notice the usual Jewish spelling of the Almighty is "G_d".

In ancient times, sound was believed to have a magical quality. In some cultures, a person had a name not known to the world in general. To know a person's secret name was to control him....

Compare this idea with two others - that American Indians would always give names according to some characteristic of a person they could compare with nature, and that in scripture God also assigned names (to people and places) according to a person's function or actions.

This idea of a name being defined by performance seems to shed new light on one of the points above - that of people being controlled by their secret (or lesser known) names. It's ironic for people to think this "ancient sorcery" is just something of the past. The truth is that the press, today, in pursuit of very deliberately maintaining and influencing public opinion for ulterior motives, uses exactly this sorcery. If you believe otherwise, just ask someone victimized by it (like The Dixie Chicks, for instance, in recent times). It certainly keeps a lot of people from doing what is right, especially those who are well known.

This same principle also applies to this other point by DaveGTD:

....The same applied to deities. There was a concerted effort to disguise a god's true name. The Romans actively sought the true names of enemy deities so they could cajole them to take Rome's sice. The procedure was known as "elicio".....

Although a god, in ancient beliefs, was like a ghost that exercized some particular power or authority, in reality there are certainly principles that have "superior" powers of influence that are not readily perceptible, and therefore just as shadowy.

For instance, over recent decades, many major corporations have taken to the ideas of providing gymnasiums or fitness plans to their employees, because they have found this is something with the "hidden" power of enhancing productivity in the long run. This would have been unheard of fifty years ago. But this idea is an example of a "god" that has been discovered and is now placed in authority.

It is the creative authority (to enhance or direct natural change) that manifests from emitted sounds (wether they be as audible emmission or as active policy) that relates sound directly to creation of the future.

If Americans could just discover all the subliminal psychology as subtle as these examples that are used against her in the pursuit of the American dream today (and the free world), we would find that we cannot be any further defeated just because enemies have learned the true names of our gods.

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to aristarcus:

It is the creative authority (to enhance or direct natural change) that manifests from emitted sounds (wether they be as audible emmission or as active policy) that relates sound directly to creation of the future.
...enemies have learned the true names of our gods.

you speak my thoughts in a way that is new to me. i would like to converse with you until we have exhausted every topic of our views on the universe. i love finding someone to bounce my ideas off of in the hopes that they'll come back to me elucidated. please email me with your thoughts of what health is. mrs.m.c.thompson@gmail.com

FIRST,,, BLUESROCKFUNKJAZZ
"It's just that, when I play: everything's ok.
Know what I mean?"
DUDE when I read that I could NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!!! AHHH THE COMMON THREAD AT LAST!!!

As for some of this stuff, WOW, VERY COOL!
My only input is for the origional question about creation and music.
According to the Bible, and my understanding of it,,,,, BEFORE MAN was CREATED, meaning DURING CREATION, I know that Satan was the WORSHIP LEADER before he had tons and tons of pride and thought he was better than the one who made him!!!

Some people mistranslate certain scriptures by not looking into,,, YES THE origional HEBREW TEXT!!! They've thought that he had MUSICAL pipes in him and that he made music! But the word for pipes was actually more of a setting for precious stones,,, like the (usually) four prongs that hold a diamond in place! Satan was only a MASTER OF DIRECTING music,,, which to me is why MOST of the AWESOME MUSIC, is stuff like PANTERA, (some of) MetallicA, KORN, MuDvAyNe, EVERGREY, and the list goes on! All awesome music with the most WICKED LYRICS and creative force behind them.

K, I'm done.

Tony Parma
www.myspace.com/DITD1

That's interesting about the setting for precious stones, Tony. It's thought by some experts that the Urim And Thummim was a set of precious and semiprecious stones in a breastplate worn by the priest, They could be rotated or spun. A piece of phosphorus, perhaps, lit them from behind. Each represented a consonant of the Hebrew alphabet. A random display of consonants would spell out words (since the early Hebrews didn't use vowels as letters) representing God's advice.

SWEET!!!

It's nice to agree for a change! I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING MUSIC!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGG!!!!

OK so I saw this Ghostbusters episode once!!!!

K, I'm Done.

"YAHWEH" is only a guess as to the pronunciation of YHWH. Truth is they don't really know how it was originally pronounced, hence the mystery. "Jehovah" is merely an Anglicization of Yahweh which of course is a guess.

The King James Version is a particularly lousy translation when it comes to integrity with the original Hebrew.