General Music Chat

So Fishman can wear a dress and my singer can't wear a bra? That's a little two-faced, eh? There was a funny story that went with that but I'm afraid you wouldn't get it. For the record, I play punk and metal, and sometimes people get punched in the face. Especially dirty hippie jam bands

Come on, laugh, life's too short.

I didn't say that.. just that it's has been done already.. maynard has been wearing a bra on stage for years.. I saw tool in like 96.. maynard came out in a suite and by the 3rd or fourth song he was in a thong and bra. thought it was tacky then all though they put on one hell of a show.. crowd was a bit much for me..

Love punk.. I GET punk music(real punk not this poppy bullshit they call punk today)...

I don't get metal.. I just don't understand how someone can be that pissed off all the time and thats cool.. Metal dudes don't understand how someone can be happy all the time so they hate on twirly hippies. Thats cool I hate on em too when they bring a f**k hoola hoop to a show.

What it comes down to, is Metal is for dudes.. I like things that make a girl shake her ass.. because...

I like the girls in the front row
don't want no dudes in the front row.

I'm always smiling..

Now hold...you hate? That's not allowed, remember

Not all metal is pissed off, although much is. These people have been marginalized so they dress funny and have an attitude. So what.

If you listen to the metal on my page you will see it's not pissed off. But then again, most metal people would not call it metal. Maybe hard rock.

Now hold...you hate? That's not allowed, remember

Not all metal is pissed off, although much is. These people have been marginalized so they dress funny and have an attitude. So what.

If you listen to the metal on my page you will see it's not pissed off. But then again, most metal people would not call it metal. Maybe hard rock.

never said I hated them. said I hate on them.. difference.. maybe i should have I said, "i make fun of them too"

We can agree to disagree.. you like arena riff rock.. you wanna go to a show and hear it exactly like the CD.. I want to go to a show and be surprised and blown away.. The type of people I want coming to my shows want that too and I wouldn't settle because some casual music listener keeps shouting freebird.. just the way I roll.

The problem with EVERYTHING today is everyone is about pleasing everybody and making the most money possible so everything gets watered down(Video games have heavily turned to this mantra). Instead of appealing to a niche crowd and doing what you love.

The main reason metal is dieing is because people are over that "fad." All the rage these days are the "Ironic" crowd who are all into acoustic tunes and wearing skinny jeans.. I see A LOT of people trying to play bluegrass and sh*t up in new york..

The reason bands like TGD and Phish stand the test of time and are still selling out venues anytime they schedule it is because they have stayed true to themselves.. Put in 200 gigs a year for their first 10 years and played between 75-150 since then. naturally built up a following...

If you want that type of success you gotta put in the work.. You gotta gig 4 nights a week..

WORD OF MOUTH IS YOUR FRIEND.. Encourage people to live record your music.. Allow them to share it freely on the internet(NOT SELL)... Spread that music on sites like archive.org, etree.org, etc. There are people out there that STILL LOVE METAL.. they just don't know where to find it because its not on TV anymore. Gotta be a teen pop idol or a rapper to be "TV Famous"

everyone worries to much about album sales these day that is why live music is dieing. No one gives a sh*t about live music and only tour when they got a new record out... Thats retarded. The only people who can do that are the ones with multi-million dollar advertising campaigns to get your name out.. If you have millions to spend on advertising anyone can get famous.. That's all it takes anymore so WHY spend even more money to send em on tour when I can just run a ad campaign on the internet and TV to let people know Dr. Dre's new album is coming out. Not only that the OTHER reason live music is dieing is because.. The types of popular music today don't lend themselves to a very good live show unless they're a mega act on a huge stage with fireworks and hsit to take your mind off how shitty the music truly is.

Before MTV the only way to advertise a band was to get out there and gig.. Just not true anymore and it has nothing to do with the economy.. It's because corporate america is smothering originality in exchange for another American Idol..

I mean why tour when you can just have a TV show like american idol make millions from the TV show.. and millions more off the record sales of all the participants who aren't even good at making music.

I'm not sure metal is dying...Ozzfest sells out every year (although the lineup is not so great this year). I think the reason it's not as big as it used to be is the vocals; metal used to be Rob Halford and Ozzie style vocals, now it's cookie monster. But it continues to evolve, and young people gravitate to it still. All live music has taken a hit; people don't have the money for concerts anymore, and other forms of entertainment are available.

I don't play music for money or fame, I play it for the rush I get from people getting off on what I'm doing.

I'm not sure metal is dying...Ozzfest sells out every year (although the lineup is not so great this year). I think the reason it's not as big as it used to be is the vocals; metal used to be Rob Halford and Ozzie style vocals, now it's cookie monster. But it continues to evolve, and young people gravitate to it still. All live music has taken a hit; people don't have the money for concerts anymore, and other forms of entertainment are available.

I don't play music for money or fame, I play it for the rush I get from people getting off on what I'm doing.

then you're alright.... i could care less if i ever make a dime from music. I'm going to school to be a elementary music teacher, i served in the military, and already have an engineering degree.. I play it cause it gets me off.. It's better then sex, cause I don't have to deal with a nagging wife afterwards and there is something rewarding about learning a new lick, breaking down the "musical walls" we all know and hate, or even better watch someone get off to your music. I call it musical orgasm.. and my god does it feel good.

Yea, i agree with the screamers thing.. I love ozzy.. somewhere along the way people just lost site of whats important.. Today it's all about the bottom line and thats all anyone really cares about.. It's a shame, but it is what it is.. i'll just keep doing my thing and hopefully get a person or two to share it with.

Grooves I kinda took this thread as an apology from Jimmy in his way toward you. Then you come back and start useing hate words and all that crap. I dont see how metal guys stay angry all the time either but from your post you seem pretty angry for some reason.

I hope you find some musicians out there that agree with your ideas for a band. Most of us on here that hang around have varied skill levels and can give advice on what we think just as you do. I like to hear what others have to say as long as they are respectful in some way. You basically admit that you havent played in groups or maybe I misread that. Once you get a 1000 or so gigs under your belt your prioritys may change as far as pay. I dont expect to get paid a lot to play music, but if Im gonna go setup pa, lights, foggers and the such I think I should get something out of it.

Good Luck and thanks for the discourse on jam bands in general.

I don't get metal.. I just don't understand how someone can be that pissed off all the time and thats cool.. Metal dudes don't understand how someone can be happy all the time so they hate on twirly hippies. Thats cool I hate on em too when they bring a f**k hoola hoop to a show.

^^ This is not true. I think there are more Metal songs about partying, chasing girls, getting laid, abusing alcohol and drugs. I believe that the metal songs that project hatred— its more directed towards "sticking it to the man" or undermining the powers that be. I also think it's the texture of the music that makes it sound aggressive (distorted guitars, minor progressions and general atonality of note choices). You can take a happy major song and apply these attributes and get a totally different outcome. I have worked with metal musicians from Shrapnel, BMI and ASCAP and they are genuinely accommodating and empathic individuals. I understand that you are new to the scene. My advice is to never judge people ahead of time. Try to keep an open mind and remain positive. Take what you know about improvisation and apply it outside of music.... making each situation magical by building off other people's creative energy.

This is for Jim and Grooves: Have either one of you ever tried to do the scream vocal in one line and then be clean in the next? It's a whole lot harder than anyone thinks that's never tried it, but to each their own. My old singer did that and it really impressed me to see him do it (tunes on my page here).

Jim, you're just out of the loop my man. This vocalist here is one of the best that I've ever heard and he does it all in every song. Better than Halford highs and mids, yet brutally mean growls as well. Check it out when you can, they're called "Into Eternity". Here's a link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nQ4ZR-NI6A

Cheers bros!!!

Grooves I kinda took this thread as an apology from Jimmy in his way toward you. Then you come back and start useing hate words and all that crap. I dont see how metal guys stay angry all the time either but from your post you seem pretty angry for some reason.

I hope you find some musicians out there that agree with your ideas for a band. Most of us on here that hang around have varied skill levels and can give advice on what we think just as you do. I like to hear what others have to say as long as they are respectful in some way. You basically admit that you havent played in groups or maybe I misread that. Once you get a 1000 or so gigs under your belt your prioritys may change as far as pay. I dont expect to get paid a lot to play music, but if Im gonna go setup pa, lights, foggers and the such I think I should get something out of it.

Good Luck and thanks for the discourse on jam bands in general.

I did too.. and I told him not to apologize, because I wasn't.. I'm not mad at the dude.. we'd probably get along in real life.. this is the internets dudes.

I don't disagree with the getting something, but really I'd be happy with the quarters from the pool table.. I just wanna play music LIVE.. if i get paid cool if not i don't really care.. going out and play some live tunes with my buddies sure as sh*t beats sitting at home(i don't watch TV.. haven't turned mine on in over 3 months except to pop in a DVD every now and then).. I'm not trying to make it big, or be rich, or anything like that.. just have a little fun.. because lifes to short to take seriously.. no one makes it out alive.

The term, "Don't quit your day job" comes to mind..

This is for Jim and Grooves: Have either one of you ever tried to do the scream vocal in one line and then be clean in the next? It's a whole lot harder than anyone thinks that's never tried it, but to each their own. My old singer did that and it really impressed me to see him do it (tunes on my page here).

Jim, you're just out of the loop my man. This vocalist here is one of the best that I've ever heard and he does it all in every song. Better than Halford highs and mids, yet brutally mean growls as well. Check it out when you can, they're called "Into Eternity". Here's a link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nQ4ZR-NI6A

Cheers bros!!!

Did you really say thats one of the best vocalist you've ever seen?

doesn't get any sweeter then this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GU5hWdaQfY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWXNm9b6pKs

"It's better then sex, cause I don't have to deal with a nagging wife afterwards and there is something rewarding about learning a new lick..."

I dunno, man. There's something about learning a new lick in sex that's quite rewarding, as well...

This is for Jim and Grooves: Have either one of you ever tried to do the scream vocal in one line and then be clean in the next? It's a whole lot harder than anyone thinks that's never tried it, but to each their own. My old singer did that and it really impressed me to see him do it (tunes on my page here).

Jim, you're just out of the loop my man. This vocalist here is one of the best that I've ever heard and he does it all in every song. Better than Halford highs and mids, yet brutally mean growls as well. Check it out when you can, they're called "Into Eternity". Here's a link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nQ4ZR-NI6A

Cheers bros!!!

Did you really say thats one of the best vocalist you've ever seen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWXNm9b6pKs

No I said that he's one of the best that I've "heard". I should have said that he's one of the best that I've heard in the progressive death metal area. I don't expect you to like him or their music as everyone likes different things. Just felt like giving them a plug.

Hey D, one of tha hazards of getting old is getting out of 'the loop'.
Believe me, I go to plenty of metal shows, both local and national, so I know the style. I like a lot of it, but a lot of it I can't understand. And that's OK too. It really depends what else the singer is doing on stage; if they put on a good show I'm more likely to forgive incoherent vocals. But it's all good.

I hear ya brother Jim. I'm actually going to be 38 in July, so I'm no spring chicken either, LOL! The incoherent vocal thing is part of the reason that I'm not going back to my old band. When I brought it up to Jay, he flipped out pretty badly. He talks to everyone like crap, yet can't take constructive criticism. No one should have to work with a dude like that. The dude that came over the other night can scream/growl and have every single word come out clear enough to hear it, but he can't sing clean at all...so...he won't work out. Bummer...

Nice try Jimmy Danger, I got what you were eluding to..

Very diplomatic of you to say so.. kudos.

Very surprising..we learn something new every day.