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then i apologize i used a fabricated quote. but dont act for a second like the talking heads on fox "news" dont fabricate material. and to say im brainwashed is a fallacy. i kno no party bounds i kno merely my beliefs and didnt palin do relatively poorly in college. i like bush sr, i dont like bush jr. im about 60/40 in my views. but i feel fairly confident if both palin and i were given the same information to look at i could win a debate with her. dont dare talk about rhetoric. the right wing reeks of negative propoganda and rhetoric straight from their very pores. all this talk of fascism and how the president went against the will of the people. 1. bush did something far grosser imo regarding the stealing of civil liberties with the patriot act 2. we elect a president to make calls(he's the decider) so whether we like it or not the decision was made. bush did it obama is doing it president x will do it. and i think average intelligence would more accurately describe bush. lol and if u want ACCURATE quotes that can back my claim regarding that i can provide those. but what do i kno im just an elitist scumbag that kills babies.

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." –-Sarah Palin

"[T]hey're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does

They are kooks, so I agree with Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh was using satire ... I didn't hear Rush Limbaugh calling a group of people whom he did not agree with 'f-ing retards,' and we did know that Rahm Emanuel, as has been reported, did say that. There is a big difference there." –Sarah Palin, attempting to rationalize why it's okay for Limbaugh to use the word "retards" but not Emanuel, FOX News Sunday interview, Feb. 7, 2010

Who calls a shot like that? Who makes a decision like that? It's a disturbing trend." –Sarah Palin, pushing a conspiracy theory that "In God We Trust" had been moved to the edge of coins by the Obama administration (the change was made by the Bush administration in 2007 and was later reversed by Congress, before Obama took office), West Allis, Wisconsin, Nov. 6, 2009

but philby makes a good point in not allowing himself to be baited into a argument with you about this. its futile and pointless so ill stop now and u can argue with urself if u want.

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There's nothin' "dishonest" about thinking she's a dingbat, Craig.


"When it is inaccurate... Then, yes, there is!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, having an opinion that you disagree with, because YOU think it's "inaccurate," makes a person "dishonest!"

Your hubris really knows no bounds, does it?

if it makes craig feel any better i like his music

Top 5 gaffs? She doesn't really interest me enough to go look them up again, Craig, .

Of course it doesn't!!!

LMAO!!!

JUST PRICELESS!!!

You said the SAME THING when I collected all the links, to PROVE to you, that I had been interviewed by the major media worldwide, that a book had been written about my life, and that someone had recently mentioned me in a new book, on the market now.

After I spent ALL THAT TIME chasing down the links and PROOF that YOU... YOU asked for... you said the SAME THING...

"It's not worth my time to click any of those links!"

You are a DISHONEST person!

Or... you are DELUDED, and can't see your own ineptitude and hypocrisy!

You are PROVEN wrong, but you cannot allow yourself to admit it.

You just put your head in the sand.

As long as you don't "SEE IT" in tangible form, then you can continue denying it's reality!

That is DELUSIONAL behavior!!!


And you don't like it when it is presented for what it is.

I don't care if you don't like it.

I'm not going to play the GAME you depend on!

Whether CANTALOUPE tastes good or not... "IS" an opinion. It is only settled on an individual level, by the consumer of the fruit.

Someone's intelligence or complete lack of it (dingbat) is NOT a matter of opinion. This is something MEASURABLE. This is something you can collect EVIDENCE for! It is not like having an OPINION on the Death Penalty. That can be completely subjective. But not BASIC INTELLIGENCE!


They aren't saying...

"I find her to be of average intelligence, nothing remarkable!"


They say...

"She is an IDIOT!"

"This woman is the STUPIDEST B*TCH I've ever seen!"

"Palin is a DINGBAT and I hate her!"


ALL OF THESE, ARE CLEARLY, "DISHONEST" STATEMENTS!

They are NOT ACCURATE.

AND YOU KNOW THEY AREN'T ACCURATE!!!

if it makes craig feel any better i like his music

I feel fine.

But thanks for the compliment!

"You are a DISHONEST person!

Or... you are DELUDED, and can't see your own ineptitude and hypocrisy!"

YAWN...

"They say...

"She is an IDIOT!"

"This woman is the STUPIDEST B*TCH I've ever seen!"

"Palin is a DINGBAT and I hate her!"


ALL OF THESE, ARE CLEARLY, "DISHONEST" STATEMENTS!

They are NOT ACCURATE.

AND YOU KNOW THEY AREN'T ACCURATE!!! "

Actually, I know no such thing, Craig. When someone argues with nothing but insult, like Palin does, it's bound to bring hate back on himself, like it has Palin.

Those ppl may well surround themselves with geniuses, & she may very well be the stupidest person they can think of.

I don't find her all that intelligent, myself. I think she's just an opportunistic debater, at best, who uses very little of substance in her remarks. She sure seems to be caught up in the same thing you like to attack - she dismisses her opposition in off-hand ways, preferring to use insult & innuendo to turn ppl against her opponents rather than to use facts & figures, or any alternative to her opponent's position. She offers nothing but hate. Her rant about the teleprompter was indicative of how she works. Her tone when she over-enunciates Obama's middle name is indicative of how she works. She uses moods to argue, rather than substance. She offends me to the core with her hateful rhetoric, & you have yet to address her aptitude for inciting ppl with it all.

Your arguments are but fluffy emotion, Craig, in spite of the numerous articles you post on her. I can pick each one apart with the same ease you claim to pick me apart.

I'm sure she has accomplished some wondrous things for herself, but that doesn't mean that I want her to work for me. I don't believe she has my best interest at heart, & when the majority of her comments seem to be pure negativism at work, that only cements my belief that she is an anti-American jerk, a negative Nelly, a spoiler, one who would incite ppl to riot, etc etc etc...oh! & while I'm at it, I think she's a dimwitted dingbatty idiot, too, & there's nary a thing dishonest about it..

This is NOT really about Palin herself, for me!

This "IS" about HONESTY and allowing FACTS to be FACTS, and not allowing PERSONAL BIAS to lead minds and hearts, about issues!

Much of our problems, have always been, allowing OPINIONS to over-rule FACTS!

To Phil, Rycky or anyone else...

THAT IS WRONG and POTENTIALLY DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR!!!

It is the same attitudes that tell people...

1) Homosexuals shouldn't adopt or be teachers, because they are more likely to be child molestors!

2) Jews kill babies in ritualistic sacrifices (Middle Ages)

3) Christians drink blood, like vampires.


ALL the above positions, were commonly held at one time, before society changed it's view, after being more educated on these matters.

None of them are "commonly" believed today.

Not even the first one!

Thankfully, TRUTH, "DOES" win out eventually!

She sure seems to be caught up in the same thing you like to attack - she dismisses her opposition in off-hand ways, preferring to use insult & innuendo to turn ppl against her opponents rather than to use facts & figures, or any alternative to her opponent's position. it..

I don't use facts and figures to support my arguments?

And you think someone will take you seriously here?

And you think you are an honest person?

Um...Craig? Settle down, now, & THINK, for just one second.

For me, it IS all about Palin.

The FACT is, that she offers nothing in her rants, nothing that could move us in better directions. She is solely AGAINST the current administration.

The FACT is, that she comes across as a hypocrite when she reads her palm-notes while attacking the use of other, better means of staying on a topic.

The FACT is, that she HAS tried to belittle our pres for his name, & questioned his place of birth long after that question was answered in the press.

The FACT is, that she spouts hatred, & not anything remotely positive, other than to stroke the patriotism in her immediate audience with the usual catch-phrases.

You can compare her to the Jews or the homosexuals or whoever you wish, but MY opinion is based on what she herself has said & done, & I dub her "dingbat," like she likes to call her opposition the equivalent of baby- & elderly-killers & foreigners & oh my gosh LIBERALS!

You haven't spoken a word of "truth," bub. It's all your opinion, & you are offended that mine differs. Tough sh*t. Get over it.

Why junk up the forum with more of your overemotional ranting & childish name-calling?

You've changed nothing. Let it go.

She sure seems to be caught up in the same thing you like to attack - she dismisses her opposition in off-hand ways, preferring to use insult & innuendo to turn ppl against her opponents rather than to use facts & figures, or any alternative to her opponent's position. it..

I don't use facts and figures to support my arguments?

And you think someone will take you seriously here?

And you think you are an honest person?

Stop jerking your knees & your Palin doll & read what I typed, you poor overemotional man.

It SAYS that she does the same thing that you like to attack. WHERE does it say that you don't provide facts & figures? You're looking kinda dingbattish, yourself, right now.

You are so caught up in the voices in your head you cannot think straight, or debate on an equal footing with anyone on this subject (like so many others).

[I don't use facts and figures to support my arguments?

It's less about you and more about Palin, Craig.

She doesn't use facts when she speaks.

You gotta quit trying to turn this into a Craig vs. the Forum thing. It's not about you. Put the ego-centric banner aside.


People don't like Palin because of what she says dude. She spews off untruths; she's "dishonest" - to use your word.

People don't see her any different than the rest of the right wing nuts who are propagating garbage like "Obama is not a US citizen".

I mean, c'mon. You want to throw the "dishonest" label at people on this forum, and you've got right wingers and talking heads on FOX doing exactly the same thing. Pot meet kettle?


I don't get why you don't just let it rest. We know you love Palin. We know you want her to have your babies. I'm sure if she was 15 years younger and I didn't already have an incredibly hot girlfriend then I'd be drooling too.

You're human. That's okay...

Phil,

The woman can not have accomplished all that she has, and be a "dingbat".

End of story.

You are a dishonest, characterless... BLOWHARD!

Do what you want... Die in your own misery if you like.

Fine.

You are too dense, and too enamored of yourself to be helped.

People don't like Palin because of what she says dude.

I don't have a problem with someone not liking Palin, not respecting her views, feeling she incites fears by exaggerations, feeling she is unqualified, yada, yada, yada...

What is my problem?

Haven't I been clear enough about this?

Someone saying she is stupid, unintelligent... a dingbat, etc...

This is CLEARLY not the case, to anyone honest enough to admit the truth.

I feel Obama is doing HORRIBLE damage to our economy and our freedoms, but when someone, even someone who agrees with me on these things, says to me...

"Obama WANTS to destroy the country!"

I correct them!

I tell them, that Obama does not "want" to destroy the country. That he is not taking the actions he is taking, in order to do HARM to the nation.


This is an IMPORTANT distinction. It is TRUTHFUL.

Obama deserves this distinction of TRUTH, and so does Palin.

It's a simple issue really.

Now, what did I do to deserve that?

That's fine, Craig. Sit behind the safety of your keyboard & toss out insult after insult, but know this - if you ever speak thus in person, to my face, I will hurt you badly, & possibly permanently.

I won't resort to answering to your personal attacks. Your actions speak for themselves, Craig, every time you get yourself all worked up on any given subject. I see what you really are, though.