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Tom2000:Until the 1700s, the process of composition and printing of music was mostly supported by patronage from the aristocracy and church. In the mid-to-late 1700s, performers and composers such as Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart began to seek commercial opportunities to market their music and performances to the general public. After Mozart's death, his wife (Constanze Weber) continued the process of commercialization of his music through an unprecedented series of memorial concerts, selling his manuscripts, and collaborating with her second husband, Georg Nissen, on a biography of Mozart. In the 1800s, the music industry was dominated by sheet music publishers. In the United States, the music industry arose in tandem with the rise of blackface minstrelsy. The group of music publishers and songwriters which dominated popular music in the United States was known as Tin Pan Alley.
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Yeah, & Al Gore invented the internet in the 60's & here we are still trying to get the average Joe's music out there to be heard with little success.

Mozart was such an elitist!

I'll admit to being ignorant to the term, "blackface minstrelsy."
Does that term refer to something specific, or is that term meant to be interepreted literaly?

You must also consider that what you are refering to was the rise of POP music even in the 1600's. Millions of commoners whom were not inthralled by the king and his court were not involved in this early form of Europen Idol mentality.
The "pop music culture" were simply selling music to the rich. And if not for opera, would have starved to death. The minstrals were entertaining the common folk with "rock n roll" ie counter culture music. for little recognition and less denero.
So what has really changed?

I'm trying to figure out the profound meaning of this post. I believe the key word is commoditization. I believe the root word is commode. I believe it was Ralph Waldo Emerson who wrote "Just like commodes in a setting of mold, they give promise of toilets untold." The signifigance of this for the modern day musician cannot be underestimated. I have often wondered how commercial music has evolved. I too have given much thought to this subject. Mozart, black minstrelsy, European kings in the 1600's, etc. There is significant relevancy to the plight of musicians today. Yes, truly the evolution of toilets has paralleled the evolution of music. THE END.

Yeah, every home has a toilet, & every home has music, no matter how lousy or good the homeowner's personal taste may be.

In the old days before radio & whatnot, if you wanted music in your home you had to produce it or get someone else to play it for you. Now, all you need do is turn on the appliances & hear it. Funny thing, though. With all the really great music that's out there, far too many of us will actually seek out the stuff that belongs in the commode.

When you give ppl too many choices, they invariably make far too many bad choices, imho.

I think that humanity, as a whole, is no better than yeast. Yeast just eats & eats until it dies on its own fecal matter, which is alcohol. We're doing the same thing, on a larger scale, while we consume mass quantities of yeast poop.

I have no idea why I just said that, but I'll let it stand as an example of my deep thoughts 1st thing in the morning.

Good song, Phil *hint hint*

It's been done, Andrew. See Phish's "Theme From The Bottom."

"I feed from the bottom. You feed from the top.
I live upon morsels you happen to drop.
Coffee that somehow slips out of your cup.
When nothing comes down then I'm forced to come up."

Love that song. Used to play it in FMF, & ppl loved the jam. Hard to pull off without a keyboard player, but we managed pretty well. Damn I miss that band.

Interesting lyrics. You could look at em from different "angles" and see totally different visuals.
I never got into Phish.. but I might give em another chance later.

I never liked a whole album, but Lawn Boy is great, Andrew. A Picture of Nectar is good, too, as well as Hoist. They started getting a bit poppy with Billy Breathes, but that's where you'll find Theme From The Bottom.

I think you might like the guitar work, even if it is mostly major key work. I like it cuz it seems so happy. Their lyrics are usually ridiculous, but the music is often quite good.

I've probably covered about 7 or 8 of their songs, between bands & solo work. Like it a lot.

Time for YouTube. Yea I noticed you're into them. Cool.

For heaven's sake stay away from their live stuff...their vocals always suck big time live! They do play their stuff note for note live, though

Okay okay Easy, man
Yea, I paid more attention to the lyrics.. this thing would take hours to get deep into their stuff.

Okay back to the topic with no purpose.