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#26120 by MOSHWITZ
Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:29 am
http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna

Welcome to the future...I cant wait to get my grubby little paws on this little box of Ones and Zeros......this is when everything changes

But seriously Holy sh*t....I'm f**k speechless....do you realize this means no more,,,, crappy vocal take or that one wrong note on the awesome take , or maybe "this" chord would have sounded better........just Holy sh*t ....

Discuss?....

MOSH ON
DAVE

#26127 by Irminsul
Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:35 am
I hate to throw any cold water on new technologies, but consider....

If you have to do that sort of microsurgery on a recording, what does it mean? You will never be able to reproduce it live. And after all, isn't that (unless you are doing totally electronic music) what a recording is? A representation of something an audience can expect to get live?

When I was in art school, I got downgraded on a project once because the teacher says I "out-thought" myself. I think this device might be doing the same thing.

#26158 by fisherman bob
Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:17 pm
Wow, the ultimate cover band. Never a wrong note, always perfect timing. All imperfections corrected. Why bother playing an instrument or singing at all? You can play everything with perfection. This completely eliminates the need for creativity. It's all done for you in a box. Totally sterile music. I can get rid of all my equipment, quit singing, and have the "magic box" replace me. A miracle of modern science. What wonders will we think of next? Maybe now we won't have to think at all. Maybe all our body functions will soon be performed for us. Think how much money we can save. A technological revolution in music, makes me obsolete. Awesome....

#26197 by lalong
Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:11 am
Wow! Very cool. :) Something like that would just be a blast to play with, the demo was really impressive. Moshwitz thanks for the info, I'm going to start a separate thread on this subject. It would be really interesting and I don't wish to hijack your thread.

#26209 by philbymon
Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:57 pm
I can see how this would be very useful, esp to the aspiring musician-wannabe, or for electro/industrial stuff.

It would also cut back on actual studio time...but then you'd be spending equal amounts of time fixing the dratted mistakes, if you made more than a few.

I'm feeling kinda wishy washy on this...while you may not be able to reproduce the sound live, you could come up with some great stuff that no one could play, but that you hear in your headbone. That's always been a problem for me, & I'd love to play with it, but I fear I'd be letting my "real musicianship" slide at the same time.

Looks like a heck of a tool in the right hands, but could lead to "dangerous karaoke-like crap" in the wrong ones.

Boy I wish we'd had one of these when I was working with that crappy jerk who never tuned his axe whan it went out...LOL...all in all, though, I think it's much easier & better to just drop him, don't you?

#26218 by jw123
Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:17 pm
I figure youve either got it or you dont and if you dont do something else.

#26234 by sanshouheil
Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:54 pm
Most pop music and a lot of Country (the high $ performers :You know the big breasted blondes who really cant sing) Is already being computer processed to the point of being totally artaficial. This is no different.
Might as well be a DJ instead of a musician. I personaly would much prefer to hear a musician make a mistake with passion than a perfect computer generated "song".

#26297 by mistermikev
Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:46 pm
Irminsul... I'm surprised by your reaction... on account of how "elec" you are.

many people feel that keyboard loops/arpeggiators are just as bad. you didn't write each note... you couldn't play that live... (ok maybe if by playing that you mean holding down the corresponding note)...
perhaps you don't use these types of things (korg karma?)

anywho, how will this change anything? If you are currently off pitch you can use pitch correction software. If you are off time you can cut and splice or in the digital realm... cut and paste. If anything it will just make it easier.

AFA reproducing live: lets face it -there is a different standard there. You typically don't use as high a quality mic (sm57 anyone?), mixer, speakers, etc. Of course they all try to sound exactly like the album... but everyone falls short to one degree or another... unless they actually play the recording (simpson/spears).

In short: I hear ya... I hate the idea of recording stuff you couldn't possibly recreate... but IMO there's no shame in not being able to "nail it" every time live...
granted: if you can't even come close... that will pose obvious credibility problems.
there's my overbearing 2 cents:

PS: the big impact I see coming: gibson magic protocol.
-imagine plugging into your guitar fx processor and being able to connect up with your band (32 streaming tracks) via the "magic net" in real time.

#26298 by mistermikev
Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:47 pm
pps... this same technology is being applied to photos... I forget what they call it but it is pretty cool.

#26312 by sanshouheil
Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:37 am
Yes mrmike, but if rembrandt could just flip a switch and take a nap would it still be art? If so I could just cut a hole in my strat and glue in a CD player. Man listen to that guy whail sounds just like Hendrix.

#26327 by mistermikev
Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:33 am
NO offense... and I say that altho I seam to be incapable of being offensive...

correcting a small blemish on a solo is a long way from plugging in a cd player and pressing play. in fact I would venture to say that 80% of recorded music today probably has some sort of pitch and or timing correction somewhere... do you think all these people are just pressing play? (keeping in mind that if you say all music today is crap I'm going to stop taking you seriously)


I would even go one step further to say that despite my own initial aversion to programs like acid (because it literally makes it impossible to write something out of time - and some would say takes all the skill out of music making)... ultimately I had to come to terms with the fact that it only overcomes the "motor memory" aspect of writing music and that actually making unique and interesting music still requires great vision and skill.


So let them make it as easy as playing with letter blocks... it will still take skill to arrange them, and the people who are best at arranging those letter blocks will always transcend the medium.

#26341 by sanshouheil
Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:17 pm
No offense taken my man, this is a discussion of musical ideas not a war.
And I would agree that anything that makes it possable for a non electro whiz like myself to get into a recording what I intend for it to sound like is a blessing. But it takes more than pushing the demo button on an electric keyboard to be a musician thats all I'm saying. I personally dont want programs to do anything that I cant reproduce live, just me and the boys.
All I want from recording is to represent what you would hear if you were standing in front of us. And I can asure you an occasional mistake will be part of the show.

#26449 by philbymon
Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:34 pm
Look at it like it's just another tool, like punch in punch out, & perhaps it'll be easier to live with.

#26454 by jw123
Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:25 pm
If I was making a CD that I hoped millions of people would want to buy. I want to sound like a million dollars, so slice and dice me, shoot call me lettuce or salad.

On the other hand if Jimmy Page had had this tech in the early 70s would he have gone back and fixed all the percieved mistakes in his solos?

#26471 by mistermikev
Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:30 pm
you bring up a good point... the thing that makes that heartbreaker solo so difficult is the sloppy-ness... but I can't imagine hearing that song any other way.

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