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Stomp box / effects order & routing ?

Posted:
Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:32 pm
by gbheil
I've seen much mention on this subject as far as best arrangement for stomp effects.
Considering no effects loop . . . what order would you place the following.
parenthesis indicates my present set-up.
Wireless (1)
Tuner (2)
Wha (3)
Adding
Chorus
Delay
Suggestions ?

Posted:
Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:13 pm
by mistermikev
wah pedals interact with your pickups so generally they should be the first thing in the chain, but with a wireless in between I'm not sure you'll get the same interaction so it probably doesn't matter in this context.
a tuner doesn't really matter unless you plan to tune while fx are engaged at which point you want it up front.
chorus before echo vs echo before chorus is really a personal flavor thing...
echoes may or may not have more apparent chorus with the chorus up front depending on the threshold of the chorus and it's ability to modulate quieter signals.
a delay will build more and more noise if a noisy pedal is before it.
cheers

Posted:
Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:56 pm
by gbheil
Thanks for the input.
I'm needing to reconfigure my pedal board to meet a wider variety of styles of play.
We recently accepted the challenge of performing "hymn" style of music for a local SNF ( nursing home ).
It will be a paid / scheduled appearance as a side line to the JERICHO MARCH project.
We will be utilizing our smallest PA set up as well so I will be investigating using my MARSHALL CLASS 5 vs my Carvin head as well.
This is way outside my comfort zone, yet if I'm going to call myself a "musician" it is necessary to confront all challenges as they come.

Posted:
Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:16 am
by Cajundaddy
My personal preference is to run chorus/delay in an effects loop for the cleanest sound when using overdriven tones. Using these in front of an overdrive channel gets weird. Try it for yourself and see if you agree.
Playing clean: tuner> wah> chorus> Delay> amp
I have done a lot of nursing home and hospital cancer ward gigs over the years. Most were pro bono and I got back more than I gave. Bravo Sans!

Posted:
Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:34 pm
by jw123
George if it were me, I run thru the wireless first, then my tuner, then the wah, chorus and then delay, thats the way I have mine set up. I have a couple of more things in there. But that is the basic order I would use.
You can always shift things around and see if you hear any big differences.
Good Luck

Posted:
Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:37 pm
by J-HALEY
George, I would go Wireless>tuner>wah>distortion>modulation(chorus,phaser,flanger,harmonizer)>delay>amp
FYI, modulation and delay sound a lot better run thru an effects loop. I made a snake that stays coiled up and connected to my pedalboard. When I get to a gig I open my pedal board and run the cables. I have them color coded with elec. tape as to which input-output they go into. It works great.

Posted:
Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:41 am
by gbheil
Played with it some tonight as Jax and I rehearsed some lead guitar drills together.
Wireless -> tuner -> Whah -> Delay.
The delay was an old DD3 Boss I've had laying around.
Honestly it sounded like crap on everything I tried except running the neck humbucker on a low volume.
It was pretty sweet right there.
My MARSHALL CLASS 5 is a strait up class A amp.
No effects loop, on / off, volume, bass, mid, treble.
Been reading up on the chorus pedals . . . I think for now I'll just use the effects from the PA.

Posted:
Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:58 pm
by mistermikev
sans, try comparing your signal straight in with your effected signal.
could be just a broken or weak ground somewhere.
also, that marshall has a lot of highs... quite a few players liked engaging their wah, tipping it just a bit back from toe down, and leaving it on as a 'tone enhancement' to bleed off some highs.
the wah and delay are both running buffers while off... potentially adding highs. this may be a contributing factor.

Posted:
Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:35 pm
by gbheil
mistermikev wrote:sans, try comparing your signal straight in with your effected signal.
could be just a broken or weak ground somewhere.
also, that marshall has a lot of highs... quite a few players liked engaging their wah, tipping it just a bit back from toe down, and leaving it on as a 'tone enhancement' to bleed off some highs.
the wah and delay are both running buffers while off... potentially adding highs. this may be a contributing factor.
Good info, thanks.
I'll check it out.