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Signsl routing.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:31 pm
by gbheil
Wanted to run this past the guitarist and electronically minded individuals.

Guitar with wireless bug
Wireless receiver
Tuner pedal
A / B box
A signal path straight into a one side of a Y @ amp input.
( for a pure amp distortion channel as my primary source of tone.)
B signal path through CryBaby - Digital Delay - Phaser - etc for a more "processed" lead tone, adjustable to various needs of songs into the other input on the Y @ amp input.
So for example instead of tap dancing several switches I can for instance leave my CryBaby and Delay on and simply choose between the processed or unprocessed signal path via the A/B.
Is the A / B box going to have a significant "pop" at signal change ?

Before you ask, the "why" would be because for the majority of my work I prefer the straight signal path through my distortion channel.
Yet I have an occasional need for a tweaked input as well.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:28 pm
by mistermikev
y amp input... I'd shy away from a passive y cable... you really don't ever want to use these little adaptors...
It's been my experience that one side of the y sounds ok the other will sound like crap, but you'll only notice this while both sides are active.

maybe I've overlooked something but... why not just have a tb loop and run all the fx on that loop and one click and it'll bypass the whole thing? If you are going to insist on the way it's set now I'd go buy a line mixer and use that instead of the y cable. you can get one at radio shack for $20 or find a midi man mixer6 for $35 here and there.

pop at signal chain boils down to how the ab was constructed. If they were smart enough to put a pop stop circuit on the led it won't pop much...
keep in mind that with all mechanical switches there will be some pop... I mean it's not going to be like a boss pedal... but with a well designed circuit it will be very minimal.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:44 am
by Shredd6
Buy the FS22 footswitch for your amp, run the pedals through the effects loop.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:09 pm
by gbheil
I have the foot switch. When I attempted to use it in said fashion it seemed it would turn off the reverb but not the external effects loop. :?
Perhaps I should try it again.
Sometimes I don't feel all that bright when it comes to electronics. :oops:
But then you knew that already.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:01 am
by Shredd6
There's nothing wrong with your electronics thinking Sans. I didn't know you even had the footswitch. It's usually an option when buying these amps, and as I remember, you don't use the clean channel.

It's freaking annoying isn't it. That's just misleading. It says "effects" but you are right, a quick search reveals that it only runs your reverb.

Both solutions you and Mike have discussed will work, it's all about choosing which one to go with. I understand the frustration, my Fender 85's are set up the same way when it comes to the effects loop and the footswitch.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:02 am
by Iain Hamilton
The problem may lie in spelling issues

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:23 am
by gbheil
LOL
No kidding Iain. Been around long enough to figure that one out huh ? :lol:

Yes I double checked the foot switch out at the shop. Just reverb as you had said Shredd.
But you know what? I seem to get a cleaner more boosted signal through the effects loop using the CryBaby vs being in chain with my guitar.
The CryBaby also seems to have less of the dampening effect on my distortion channel when turned off using this route.
Wont know for sure how I'll set it up when it's all said and done. But practice tomorrow will help. Always helps to hear how it sounds against the full band.

The big question now is:

Why am I dicking with this in the first place, four days before my studio date ?? :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:37 am
by Iain Hamilton
you put a wah in your loop?!?!?!?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:48 am
by gbheil
Yep!

I put a wah in my loop.
And that's the only effect I am using at present.
Not sure it will even stay in the arsenal.
I really prefer to just play my guitar through my amp.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:40 pm
by jw123
Sans Ive always hit my tuner first, wah wah second and then distortion and other devices in line. Ive never run a wah in the loop. Mu suggestion is if you are using a wah use it infront of the amp, the more wires you introduce the more noise potential you have especially if you are running a lot of gain.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:48 pm
by ColorsFade
jw123 wrote:the more wires you introduce the more noise potential you have especially if you are running a lot of gain.


But you can solve that nicely with a Decimator :)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:57 pm
by gbheil
Gee the more I play with it all the more it seems just like a big freakin hassle.
Back to my guitar, wireless, tuner and my amp. :roll: