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Posted: **Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:52 pm**

Just wondering if anyone would take the time to check out a new recording of a pedal I made... it's on my profile... all comments good or bad welcome.

Posted: **Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:09 pm**

I like the crunch Mike and the overall tone, it has a bit more bite than I like on the attack.

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:12 am**

sanshouheil wrote:I like the crunch Mike and the overall tone, it has a bit more bite than I like on the attack.

hey thanks for listening sans... I was thinking something similar when I listened... it's pretty good but there's this 'break up' that I don't like...
it might have been the gtr... that jem has pretty high output... perhaps I should give the strat or lp a try.

anywho, thanks again for the comments I really appreciate them.

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:42 am**

Mike,

I 'm honestly not sure how I feel about that Thunderchief. To my ear, it seems that a decent guitar player should be able to produce that sound through any good guitar amp devoid of any pedal. (of course, my 'ol ears could be a bit off, considering some of the loud-ass guitar players who's amps I've had the privilege of standing in front of over the years)

Howlin'

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:45 am**

No, thank you Mike.
This simple little thing inspired me to go on out to the shop and pick up my axe for a while.
Was working on a thing I'll call plunkin and noodles. :oops:

Kinda a funny sounding thing that I intended to post up for others to play along with if they liked.
But alas, I miscued and my recording was blank.

I,ve got five shifts to work in the next four days, when I get done I am going to try again.

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:50 am**

HowlinJ wrote:Mike,

I 'm honestly not sure how I feel about that Thunderchief. To my ear, it seems that a decent guitar player should be able to produce that sound through any good guitar amp devoid of any pedal. (of course, my 'ol ears could be a bit off, considering some of the loud-ass guitar players who's amps I've had the privilege to standing in front of over the years)

Howlin'

I do respect your opinion... but I disagree.

sure, in the sense that my tube amp will give me dist when I crank the gain, yes, they both do the sm thing...

but this pedal overlays the amps tone with a 'wide open' voicing with lots of mids... and it just sounds more 'complex' to me.

Plus I would have to get up and turn up the gain to engage it on my amp... and I'm just not prepared to do that!

Sanshouheil it's always a pleasure... godspeed getting thru your work!

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:44 pm**

Mikey my little Subway Rocket amp has a mid contour button. When I kick it in it gets a very similiar sound to your pedal.

What pedal is this based off of?

Ive got a Mesa Roadster, and on the clean and british channels I can kick the front of it with my TS-9 and get some really good distortion sounds. I generally live use the VIntage Mesa Sound, which has more bottom and a muddier mid than a pedal will give.

Ive never taken the time to understand pedals I just stomp them and if they get what Im after, fine if not I just move on.

I try to use the amp for my distortion most of the time. I kick in the tube screamer to give a solo a little more life or mids cause my amps are ussually scooped slightly. Being the only guitarist in the band Im playing rythym way more than lead so I concentrate on my rythym sounds more than leads. My mesa's all have a solo boost switch that allows me to punch up the guitar without really changing the tone.

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:17 pm**

jw123 wrote:Mikey my little Subway Rocket amp has a mid contour button. When I kick it in it gets a very similiar sound to your pedal.

What pedal is this based off of?

I try to use the amp for my distortion most of the time. I kick in the tube screamer to give a solo a little more life or mids cause my amps are ussually scooped slightly.

hey jw123,
that pedal (the thundercheif) is not based on any production pedal. It's basically solid state modeling of a marshal lead 100 tube amp circuit -using transistors instead of tubes -analog modeling.
The pedal making industry is just starting to catch on to this methodology.

Don't get me wrong folks... I love the sound of an amp straight in... it's ideal for some things... (greg almond sound)

Sm thing with a tubescreamer up front... you would be amazed at how many great recordings came out of a tubescreamer infront of a fender amp...
Stevie Ray Vaughn's entire sound was based on this (and that for me is IT).

My point is:
Eric Johnson uses a ts or a fuzz face in front of various tube amps
Steve Vai uses a ds1 into his legacy
Satriani used a ds1 into a mesa for satch boogey

I've read that many early 70's recording were made taking a crybaby turning it on and flooring it... just leaving it floored - to get 'that sound'.

many 60's recordings featured the two chanels of a fender amp cascaded to get a slight 'boost' which resulted in saturation...

hendrix used a fuzz face into a marshal
yngwie malmsteen used a dod250 into a marshal
clapton used a rangemaster into a marshal

Those are all sounds I'd like to 'play with' for a while!

thanks for your responses everyone...
everyone else: please... if u r thinking something say it... I really enjoy the comments - it all inspires me.

Posted: **Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:34 pm**

mistermikev wrote:
jw123 wrote:Mikey my little Subway Rocket amp has a mid contour button. When I kick it in it gets a very similiar sound to your pedal.

What pedal is this based off of?

I try to use the amp for my distortion most of the time. I kick in the tube screamer to give a solo a little more life or mids cause my amps are ussually scooped slightly.

edit: btw... I was thinking: so my $100 pedal turns a $200 crate v18 into something 'similar' to a $1300 mesa subway rocket... I like it even more than before!

hey jw123,
that pedal (the thundercheif) is not based on any production pedal. It's basically solid state modeling of a marshal lead 100 tube amp circuit -using transistors instead of tubes -analog modeling.
The pedal making industry is just starting to catch on to this methodology.

Don't get me wrong folks... I love the sound of an amp straight in... it's ideal for some things... (greg almond sound)

Sm thing with a tubescreamer up front... you would be amazed at how many great recordings came out of a tubescreamer in front of a fender amp...
Stevie Ray Vaughn's entire sound was based on this (and that for me is IT).

My point is:
Eric Johnson uses a ts or a fuzz face in front of various tube amps
Steve Vai uses a ds1 into his legacy
Satriani used a ds1 into a mesa for satch boogey

I've read that many early 70's recording were made taking a crybaby turning it on and flooring it... just leaving it floored - to get 'that sound'.

many 60's recordings featured the two chanels of a fender amp cascaded to get a slight 'boost' which resulted in saturation...

hendrix used a fuzz face into a marshal
yngwie malmsteen used a dod250 into a marshal
clapton used a rangemaster into a marshal

Those are all sounds I'd like to 'play with' for a while!

thanks for your responses everyone...
everyone else: please... if u r thinking something say it... I really enjoy the comments - it all inspires me.

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:23 pm**

The pedal seems to revive the rig's sound.. reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5LwNvt6BA

Skip a minute in for the demo.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:03 am**

hmm, big muff with a tone bypass...

I have a big muf pi, and it's heavily modified... I thought about a tone bypass... but the lack of mids in a big muf is really it's signature...

I loved this demo... great tone.

GOOD EARS, you are right on with your comparison... I assume you mean when he drops out the tone knob... this floods the thing with mids and makes it sound very 'open' - LIKE A MARSHAL - GO FIGURE!

the wicker switch seems to be similar to what you get when you combine a treble booster with a big muf.... v nice.

admittedly tho... you toss ANY pedal in front of a 59' bassman and I'm sold!

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:14 am**

Hey mister Mike,

Did 'ya ever build anything like the original stop box, The Maestro Fuzz Tone?

I can recall when it was required equipment if your band expected to cover the Stones' "Satisfaction" or any number of cool rocken' tunes of that era.

later,
Howlin'

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:18 am**

I've seen a schematic and layout for that exact device on ggg or tonepad or somewhere, tho I haven't built one.

I recently built a 70's fuzz face replica. tis a fine fuzz.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:07 pm**

Ih man! Back when I was starting, I tried the Fuzz Face, but I preferred the Maestro. I stoll have it, somewhere, but it needs the battery line redone. I should do that one day & resurrect it just to watch ppl's faces when they see it.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:45 pm**

philbymon wrote:Ih man! Back when I was starting, I tried the Fuzz Face, but I preferred the Maestro. I stoll have it, somewhere, but it needs the battery line redone. I should do that one day & resurrect it just to watch ppl's faces when they see it.

I'll have to build one of these Maestro Fuzz's tho I suspect that my fav will end up being the silicone based transistor fuzz face like jimi used. I love that sound on spanish castle majic... and it's not a traditional fuzz sound at all, more of a light overdrive/fuzz.

If I'm not mistaken the Maestro is a very saturated high gain fuzz? What do you recall philby?
Anyone know of a song where the Maestro was used just for reference?

here's a link to a layout/schematic if anyone is interested...
http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=94&Itemid=26

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Thundercheif Pedal Recording

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