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Just got home from singer-songwriter convention

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:04 pm
by Kramerguy
It was in Cape May Fri-Sat.

What an eye-opening event!

We went and talked to tons of marketing reps, publishers, artists, etc... They had a LOT of fantastic info, so here I am to share what I've learned-

What I found interesting was that they declared the arena rock band "dead". They even issued us a challenge to come up with ONE major rock act that has been signed by a major label in the last 5 years. Nobody could come up with one. Coldplay was about the most recent at 6-7 years, and probably one of the last major rock acts to be signed. Sad. But some new rock bands are emerging on their own, being their own business, etc.. we've discussed this here before, and the insiders confirm it. Your success is your company/band, all up to you.

Labels arent' interested in developing artists anymore, the ONLY interest they have is slapping some lipstick on a tween princess and sending her into the media hype with a bunch of 3-chord progressions and a few hooks. Same for the tween boys minus the lipstick.

There's a TON of opportunity in film and tv right now, that industry still grows, and there's no age limit on it, but there's also a ton of competition because of that. You must have serious songwriting skills, and a hefty catalog (50-100 songs).

They discouraged signing up with libraries or using services like TAXI, mostly because of the legal issues which I will explain further. Services like Taxi basically toss everything you submit at the wall and see what sticks. Decent publishing companies will NOT touch music from libraries and the only people who might are indie labels and middle-men 3rd rate publishers who will not serve your best interests. For instance, if you submit a song through Taxi, and it ends up rolling for 4 minutes in the next 'blair witch', and then earns 12 grammys.. chances are the service sold it to them flat out for $200 bucks, which you probably got 70% of...

Mid-high level publishers would have negotiated a contract with sales volume clauses, and you could have earned $50k+ for the exact same thing...

The legal issues are that publishers need you to own the copyrights to the music, as well as, owning the masters. Any other artist contribution also requires contracts so the publishers knows how to legally distribute the royalties. Basically, the copyrights are the 'intellectual property' where the masters are a separate 'physical property' (the studio 'created' them). Always make sure to have the studio sign releases of the masters and any demos.

Marketing (performers, not tv/film publishing musicians)-
You have to have an image (brand your band), style, look, etc... Almost goes without saying, but many bands just ignore this and believe that making great music is good enough. It isn't. Pepsi branded themselves as the "new generation", "generation next", etc.. Still the same old pepsi, but they managed to steal half of Coke's market just by projecting a well thought out and crafted image. Bands have to do the same to differentiate themselves from the other bands. Still need great music, but great music just isn't enough anymore.

There's a ton more, but my brain is toast, so I will end with this pic of me, Valerie, and Brendon from Wheatus :)

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:04 pm
by gbheil
Some good info for us indie bands.
I hope you catagorize this info and revist it for us when your rested.
I would have never thought to get a release on my master.
Thank you!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:27 pm
by Hayden King

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:13 pm
by RhythmMan
Thanks.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:47 pm
by philbymon
Keep talking, Kramer! I'm hoping for some info that might help me with my lil conundrum on another thread...how does one determine how much a song is worth?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:13 am
by Kramerguy
philbymon wrote:Keep talking, Kramer! I'm hoping for some info that might help me with my lil conundrum on another thread...how does one determine how much a song is worth?


lol guess I'm going to have to put my notes together and make a more detailed post. Perhaps tomorrow, my brain hurts haha.

The publishers, if you sign with one, negotiates the prices, you basically sign over co-ownership to the publisher so they can make deals and negotiate pricing, etc. It primarily depends on distribution. Like I mentioned, a no-name indie film could be literally $200 minus publishers cut, but any decent publisher would have clauses in the contract so that you would get additional royalties if the movie ended up being a major hit. I think bigger productions pay better, and I have no idea how TV pays, but I'm guessing it's based on the idea of how many times it airs, re-runs, dvd sets, etc..

I will get back with more info, but in the meantime, I'd strongly recommend finding these conferences in your area (BMI and ASCAP also have them, as well as most state-level musician associations). There's a lot of really nice folks in the industry who are attending and mentoring at these things on their own dime, just to help out artists like us who take the initiative to seek it. Sign-up fees are usually minimal or zero if you perform at the conference or a participating venue. I kind of got sucked into this one by Valerie, and my only regret was not paying enough attention to know and attend these things in the past. Also good to hear from people who are actually inside of several parts of the biz.

more later!

Re: Just got home from singer-songwriter convention

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:17 am
by RaneVox
You're a star, love. Thanks for sharing with us! Very good, detailed, helpful information. 8)

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:52 am
by ZXYZ
Yeah, THANX KG!!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:11 pm
by fisherman bob
It's really a sad thing that you have to have a "look" first and then music second. If they put me on MTV it'll put MTV out of business. Too bad...

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:01 pm
by gbheil
:idea: I'd love to see those purveyors of perversion go out of business.
I'm going to sign Bob up for MTV today!! :lol:

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:01 pm
by neanderpaul
Cool KG!!! Wheatus!!! teenage dirtbag baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How old are you KG? You look younger than I thought you were.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:10 pm
by ZXYZ
There used to be musicians' unions, but I guess the union things kinda went by the way-side..

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:38 pm
by Kramerguy
fisherman bob wrote:It's really a sad thing that you have to have a "look" first and then music second. If they put me on MTV it'll put MTV out of business. Too bad...


No, not really. You just need A look. It should be your own. They strongly encouraged everyone NOT to be fake, or portray themselves differently than they are.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:39 pm
by Kramerguy
neanderpaul wrote:Cool KG!!! Wheatus!!! teenage dirtbag baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How old are you KG? You look younger than I thought you were.


lol, I'm about the most UN-photogenic person in the world... I'm 39, my 2nd chin is only about 12 though. The third chin is still in the infancy stage :P

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:00 pm
by Hayden King
I already have a look; I look like an old dude with long hair... cool huh 8)

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