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how stupid RIAA and the Labels are

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:09 pm
by Kramerguy
http://philadelphia.bizjournals.com/phi ... 1234760400^1777262&page=2

Proposed pay-to-play rules fuel resistance in radio land

Federal lawmakers have introduced pay-to-play legislation that, if enacted into law, would levy a performance tax on radio-station operators who play recorded music, with few exceptions.

Executives with some of San Antonio’s largest radio broadcast companies warn that the Performance Rights Act now being spearheaded by Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., could put more industry personnel out of work and some stations out of business.

MusicFirst is a coalition of industry players, including the Recording Industry Association of America. It supports the proposed legislation.

MusicFirst Executive Director Jennifer Bendall says the Performance Rights Act represents “the beginning of the end for corporate radio’s loophole.”

“It’s unfair, unjustified and un-American that artists and musicians are paid absolutely nothing when their recordings are played on AM and FM radio,” Bendall argues. “They deserve fair pay for airplay.”

But closing that “loophole” could cost the radio industry billions of dollars annually, according to the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB).

San Antonio-based Clear Channel Communications Inc., in a statement provided to the Business Journal, says: “This is a case of pure greed on the part of the record labels. These companies already get billions of dollars worth of free advertising on the radio. Now they want even more money, and they say this is about fairness?”

Executives with Border Media and Cox Radio, which each operate several radio stations in San Antonio, say the Performance Rights Act is a recipe for disaster.

Border Media Vice President Mark Landis says those artists who support the proposed legislation owe radio some thanks.

“I have the unique perspective having worked on the record company side for 7 years,” Landis explains. “These artists would not have become as successful as they are were it not for radio.

“It’s a trade off,” he adds. “The record companies do everything they can legally do to get their artists airplay. Now they want to charge the radio stations to actually play those records?”

Ben Reed, regional vice president for Cox Radio’s San Antonio market, says broadcasters are already subsidizing the recording industry. “These (proposed Performance Rights Act fees) are in addition to the royalties radio stations have been paying,” Reed says. “And the dollar amounts are potentially staggering.

“It’s important to note,” he adds, “that the record industry is asking radio to pay the record labels for the free promotion of their artists.”
Serious threat

NAB Executive Vice President Dennis Wharton says at least one media analyst has put the potential impact on radio from the proposed legislation at somewhere between $2 billion and $7 billion annually.

Supporters argue that the impact would be much less and that smaller broadcasters would pay less than their larger competitors. In addition, some stations, such as religious broadcasters, would likely be exempted from the fees.

Wharton, however, says the proposed legislation would further impact a radio industry that is already facing an economic crisis and dwindling ad revenues.

Last month, Clear Channel reportedly cut its workforce by more than 1,800 employees. Other broadcast companies have also trimmed their personnel counts.

“If this bill passed, it would decimate the radio business — small and large stations alike,” Wharton tells the Business Journal. “Since Clear Channel is the largest radio station operator in America, the consequences could be devastating.

“It’s pretty simple,” Wharton adds. “Stations’ profit margins are already flat and many radio companies have been laying off employees. If you tack on a huge new fee that goes from local stations to foreign-owned record labels, the station no longer has the capital to pay its employees, to program its shows, to pay its electricity bill, or to re-invest in local community service initiatives. One or all of these would have to be cut.”

Landis says the performance tax “could definitely put some of the smaller operators out of business and cause even the bigger companies to look at making more cuts.”

“San Antonio,” he adds, “would be impacted in a time when advertising revenues are already down year to date.”

Reed says the proposed legislation “would put an unwarranted financial burden on stations.”

The result, he predicts, would be “less people employed and less money spent in our market on goods and services.”

“At the level the record labels, and legislation are pointing, some operators would have a tough time making ends meet,” Reed adds.

Says Wharton, “Make no mistake: This is a serious threat to the future of free, local radio in America.”


..sigh

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:24 pm
by EDDY123
I heard this a couple of weeks ago and my first reaction is that they are runig out of ways to pry money from your pocket. I think the next step after this is pay radio where you only get two stations if you dont pay some company like clear channel a fee and get a box like a cable box.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:30 pm
by Hayden King
So now they wanna tax the Art's eh.
Well they'll tax your fart's as a carbon tax if people dont start calling their rep's and raising some hell w/em over all o the crap!

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haven't heard of taxing the church yet though. I'm sure the Vatican would never allow that considering their one of the richest entities on the planet

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:52 am
by gbheil
Humm, Democrats. Go figure.
Tax and Spend, f**k your rights. I know lets buy a failed bank or two.
Oh no it's not socalism. :roll:

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:37 am
by Hayden King
sanshouheil wrote:Humm, Democrats. Go figure.
Tax and Spend, f**k your rights. I know lets buy a failed bank or two.
Oh no it's not socalism. :roll:


Oh it's worse than that!

check this out and know what's really behind all of these bailouts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWSzG38b2uE


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:14 am
by Kramerguy
sanshouheil wrote:Humm, Democrats. Go figure.
Tax and Spend, f**k your rights. I know lets buy a failed bank or two.
Oh no it's not socalism. :roll:


Well, I'm a democrat, but I don't see it that way. Plenty, if not most, republicans voted yes to TARP. Yes to give away revenue to the wealthy with no strings attached, but NO to money for the infrastructure/middle class, even with stringent requirements and strings attached. But that aside...

Republicans point the finger at democrats saying they all want to expand government.

Democrats point the finger at republicans saying they all want to start wars.

it's all a bunch of blah blah blah.

Democrats believe in consolidating power at the federal level (one law for one land), republicans believe in more separation of powers to the state governments (50 laws, 50 lands). Nowhere does the democrat charter say they believed in BIGGER government, and Nowhere does the republican say it believes in smaller. It's a red herring.

There are NO real differences, other than the ones we're ALL meant to perceive, which are nothing but wedge issues, designed by both parties to keep americans divided and arguing so the foxes can run the henhouse. Republicans aren't conservative, never were. Democrats aren't socially responsible, never were. Face it, we're all victims of sales campaigns. They sold us bullshit and for the last 39 years especially, we've bought every bit of it. We've been duped by them all. Every branch of government is RIFE with corruption. The FDA, DHHS, CDC, instead of PROTECTING the american people, actually allow corporations to do more total harm than all the agencies combined do to protect. The pentagon spends more than all other countries' militaries in the world COMBINED. The state level houses and senates are completely corrupt, and the FBI has been ordered to stop all investigations of political corruption. WTF?

Outside of the president, I'm not sure there's a decent person in washington. I do honestly believe he's mostly a moral and honest man, but when you consider the concessions he will have to make on .every.single.issue.. I doubt he will accomplish anything more than Jimmy Carter, and the next president will probably take all the credit when the economy finally does bounce back.

This topic isn't about democrats, so much as POLITICIANS who were bought off by the big labels. There's plenty of that on both sides, to the point that I'm just disgusted with all of them. I stopped following politics after the inauguration, when I realized that neither side in washington will ever stop play the "game" and just do their f**k jobs, which is to represent you, me, and everyone else who pays for their benefits. The real problem is that their *real* salaries are paid by wealthy special interests.

well.. that's my tirade...

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:47 am
by Hayden King
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN DEMOCRAT'S OR REPUBLICAN'S!
That has become painfully obvious over the last 2 decades. Everybody was doing well while Clinton was in office. Everybody sang his praises. All the while he was selling us down the river with NAFTA. the economy is artificially manipulated and used as a tool.

It's called "Economic Terrorism"

They scare us into giving away our right's and freedom's under the guise of protecting us from financial failure, and all the while they had created the financial stress.
What happened to the 9 trillion dollars they sucked out of the economy in the last 8 years?

I'm telling you that You need to watch this video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWSzG38b2uE


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:13 pm
by J-HALEY
It seems to me that the greedy record corp. are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Maybe if this legislation were enacted it would open up more opportunity for Indie (independent) artists which could do us guys here at bandmix a lot of good but if you involve politicians you know they will take a simple thing and f**k it up. How about just charging the radio stations a fee not huge exorbident amounts for each song played :idea:

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:23 pm
by gbheil
Consolidating power? Aint that what Hitler wanted?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:59 pm
by ted_lord
well at least we have the internet to distribute/listen to our music (from unsigned bands), I wonder what the big bands who own their own labels think of this piece of legislation....and the only solution to our problems is anarchy....but we have to make sure that we all have the guns, bombs, jets, tanks, subs, aircraft carriers, supplies, and resources to make sure we come out on top, then we can establish our oligarchy and scrap the republic that hides behind democracy and our lives will be good

PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:44 am
by Hayden King
tedlord wrote:well at least we have the internet to distribute/listen to our music (from unsigned bands), I wonder what the big bands who own their own labels think of this piece of legislation....and the only solution to our problems is anarchy....but we have to make sure that we all have the guns, bombs, jets, tanks, subs, aircraft carriers, supplies, and resources to make sure we come out on top, then we can establish our oligarchy and scrap the republic that hides behind democracy and our lives will be good


I understand that 14 states are considering forming an alliance and trying to recruit other states until they have enough to dissolve the federal government. They say that is the only way to stop the lunatic's that have seized power from the people and are trying to globalize the world economy in order to gain control of the worlds resources.

this will explain it very clearly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhHSjul4jQU

Yeah this crazy sh**t is for real. The people who run the world are a sadistic bunch of heartless power mongers.
That's the only way it will happen. We don't have a chance in warring with em...

P.S. I hope getting ripped off by a label will remain my biggest concern!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:44 pm
by ted_lord
yeah they just want to consolidate everything so that when shyt goes awry in a few years they don't have to pass the paperwork that says fuack 'em all though different governments, it wouldn't be a problem if we were part of a bigger organization of civilization, but when all we've got is this one rock...its a problem