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#292873 by davemus
Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:20 pm
So, I'm in it for the music, not for all the currently-trendy social/political/religious beliefs that people seem to have a deathgrip on, and I've stumbled on a few things that surprised me in the local community that may negatively affect my ability to contribute or partake of musically (because I disagreed or wouldn't agree or just didn't react in time or a certain way or at all), and at this point I'm questioning whether it's even worth participating in the community musically or at all because I didn't fall in line (even though by all accounts and definitions my words were fairness-minded).

Has someone been through this? I've seen the kind of believe-or-burn attitude from officially-named religions to political parties to social circles to groupthink to social justice issues to liberal/conservative beliefs or philosophy or even taste in movies at this point... it seems like maybe it's just Facebook and blogger offense/indignation-culture (yes it's on the right and left) causing so much bloody hysteria, but when it napalm-splashes over to my own musical or artistic creations which aren't even about all these hot-topic identity/geo-political issues of the moment because I didn't fall in line and then became demonized for it, I'm not sure what the point is continuing with them (the people in the scene).

I'm sure the easy answer is "just don't be involved", but I'd kind of like to think maybe this is just of-the-moment Faceblorking and it doesn't really matter as long as people like the music and the ones highly offended just stay out of arms/ears reach, I don't know.
#292875 by schmedidiah
Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:42 pm
That sucks. I try to keep my politics out of my music, or else I probably couldn't even find people to play with. I hope there are more people around where you live who are open minded about this (agree to disagree) and get on to the important part, the music. Get online and work with people from all over the world. That's what I do and it's a blast. Good luck!
#292876 by Mordgeld
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:45 pm
+1

When ppl go down that road, my singer responds with "I like cheese".
#292879 by GuitarMikeB
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:34 pm
You can:
1) Ignore the political stuff, just nod your head
2) Take a stand yourself. It's easy to say you're not 'political' - but think of this:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

3) Move

From what I googled, SLC areas is fairly progressive, so you may see either A) people who are fighting for what's "right" or B) people fighting for the opposite, (the homophobes, etc). So if the people you are playing with are adamant about their stance, you can either just nod your head and go along, or tell them 'whatever' and walk away.
#292887 by Mordgeld
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:31 pm
I regard people that disagree with me politically/socially but still make music with me as professional. (in the doing business sort of way) I don't hide what I am from fellow musicians and I don't unnecessarily soapbox where fans can hear me. Somehow, even in intolerant California, I manage to find people to work with. Those that want to be angry that I am not up with the latest PC du jour, can go work with other angry people that are way too concerned about stuff other than music. I'm pretty sure they aren't about to put me in an internment camp, GMike, but I guess it is like they said about the Jews, if they'd all had guns, perhaps the cost could have been made too high for the enforcers when there was no one left to speak for them.

It is concerning that people are defining speech as violence and using that to justify actual violence in the name of tolerance.
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
― George Orwell, 1984
#292901 by Jahva
Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:05 pm
I think if the content is political or religious driven... you/they most likely need like minded individuals or there will be conflicts. So why bother if that's the motivation?Not worth the inevitable strife... imo.

Now if you're just a hired hand... you may see it different. To each his own.
#292911 by Planetguy
Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:16 pm
^ that ^

In my bluegrass band MERE MORTALS ...we're all a bunch of card carrying, hard core lefties, so besides music, movies, books, sports, food, beer.......politics is something we often discuss as well. But we're all on the same page so it's never a problem.

Now, in two of my other bands....politics never comes up because we understand we are NOT all on the same page. And w no pressing need TO bring it up, if no one brings it up...there are no hard feelings or bad blood.

As i see it, that's keeping the peace for the greater good (the Music), but it's also just plain old respect and courtesy. Besides, it's not like we don't have other $hit to talk about.
#292914 by GuitarMikeB
Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:42 pm
Planetguy wrote:^ that ^

In my bluegrass band MERE MORTALS ...we're all a bunch of card carrying, hard core lefties, so besides music, movies, books, sports, food, beer.......politics is something we often discuss as well. But we're all on the same page so it's never a problem.

Now, in two of my other bands....politics never comes up because we understand we are NOT all on the same page. And w no pressing need TO bring it up, if no one brings it up...there are no hard feelings or bad blood.

As i see it, that's keeping the peace for the greater good (the Music), but it's also just plain old respect and courtesy. Besides, it's not like we don't have other $hit to talk about.


But what would you do if they all came to a gig wearing MAGA hats - and wanted you to wear one too?
#292917 by Planetguy
Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:13 pm
well, first, second, and third off....no one i work with WOULD do that.

Even if I can't agree w a cpl of guy's politics and they w mine......we're all of the same mind that none of us thinks it right to force our views on the other. No one wears MAGA caps or Democratic propaganda because no one of us speaks for the entire group.....MERE MORTALS, now that's different.

What would I do if I was in a band that insisted I wear a MAGA hat? Well, i never would have involved myself in such a situation to begin with.

pickup gigs were brought up in an earlier post....now, if i was in dire circumstance and needed to feed my family, that's another story. thankfully that's not my situation so, really...no matter how much money was waved in front of me for a one off pickup gig at a Trump rally, or some gig where I was expected to wear a MAGA hat.....i can pretty safely say i'd pass on any gig like that.
#292918 by Planetguy
Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:18 pm
full disclosure....a little while back when people were losing their $hit and going batshit crazy over the Kapernick and kneel down hysteria, I did put a bigass, and easily seen number 7 in 49'ers colors on the front of my JBass which was the one i mostly used at the truckstop back then. :lol:
#292932 by Ancient Vegan
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:11 pm
I played at a Halloween party once dressed as a woman and tripping, I don't
think I had any political messages showing.
The rest of the band was on the same page, they were all dressed as woman and
tripping also.
#292934 by schmedidiah
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:36 pm
Ancient Vegan wrote:I played at a Halloween party once dressed as a woman and tripping, I don't
think I had any political messages showing.
The rest of the band was on the same page, they were all dressed as woman and
tripping also.

sounds like a NOW rally. :lol:
#292939 by Planetguy
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:48 pm
Halloween..... it always cracks me up when guys jump on their one chance to dress up as women w out being labeled trannies!
#292942 by GuitarMikeB
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:46 pm
Planetguy wrote:Halloween..... it always cracks me up when guys jump on their one chance to dress up as women w out being labeled trannies!


But everyone knows they really ARE secret trannies!
#292947 by Ancient Vegan
Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:46 pm
I just got in touch with my feminine side, and now I can't quit touching it.

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