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Where do I start with the whole genre of Jazz?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:57 am
by adam1131815
Alright, well I have always like jazz, but never really bothered to get into it. I was just wondering if I am just starting brand new getting into jazz, who do I start with?

I was also listening to this college radio and the dj said it was ambient jazz/funk music. I could definitely tell there was a jazz influence in the music. Is there even a sub-genre such as ambient jazz/funk music. Not sure if that is even the best description for it but oh well...

Thanks!

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Re: Where do I start with the whole genre of Jazz?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:04 am
by nicole1152936
there are as many jazz sub-genres as there are rock sub-genres. so yeah, ambient jazz/funk could be legit. probably something by Modeski, Martin, & Wood. instrumental ringtones download

as for getting into it, it really depends on what style you like and what you're looking to get. there are plenty of recommendation threads on this site. they're all good.

there's also a very good reason why these three names (Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis, John Coltrane) appear in every single top X jazz list ever.
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Re: Where do I start with the whole genre of Jazz?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:37 pm
by my willie
jazz unlike most music uses all 12 notes and all 479001600 chords. Get ready for a whole world of fun that makes no sense.

Re: Where do I start with the whole genre of Jazz?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:36 pm
by Planetguy
i'd start with some PLANET JAZZ.....as Tony the Tiger says....."THEY'RE GRRRRRRREAT!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBo7wH9Gx3I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiYEFNijKto

that's my band BTW. :wink:

but seriously, if you're interested in LEARNING about Jazz, it's evolution, where it all came from, etc...there are plenty of sources to go to if serious about learning it's history and who the important players are/were.

if you're just looking for recommendations on what to listen to......that's a pretty open ended question.

as jook, suggested, if you play a particular instrument and are interested in hearing recommendations for players of the same....there's folks here happy to make suggestions based on that.

welcome to Bandmix.

and ignore that Willie the Wimp troll. he's an attention whore. him and his tripe are as significant as a goose farts on a warm day.

Re: Where do I start with the whole genre of Jazz?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:39 pm
by Displaced Pianist
adam1131815 wrote:Alright, well I have always like jazz, but never really bothered to get into it. I was just wondering if I am just starting brand new getting into jazz, who do I start with?

Depends on your motivation; why the desire to "get into it"? If you're a musician looking to branch out into different musical styles, it's much as someone above suggests: find what you like and go from there. It says you're in Manhattan; might want to get out a bit more. I hear there are a few folks up there who play some jazz... And I'm sure there must be a few audio outlets that offer recordings that could help you identify what you like.

If your interest is more that of an audiophile, watch the Ken Burns "Jazz" series; they run it on PBS every now and then. You'll learn a great deal; like most Burns documentaries, it's comprehensive, runs over a number of hours...and effectively disputes Jelly Roll's claim to be the 'inventor.' I watched the entire series a couple of months ago, and while I knew a fair bit, there were many more things I didn't know. Good soundtrack, too.

Just a caveat: from the perspective of a musician, I wouldn't "get into it" because it might be cool to say you're a 'jazz musician.' Anyone ever asks me, I'm a pianist...period. If you like the sound, or that musically, it's more interesting than most of what passes for music these days, good enough. But doing it for the label would seem like poor motivation, at least to me.

Re: Where do I start with the whole genre of Jazz?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:54 pm
by Displaced Pianist
Jookeyman wrote:DP- you've perked my interest w/ your post. What evidence does Burns present to dispute Jelly Roll's claims? I see Jelly Roll as the 'Josephus Flavius' of the jazz world. A bit of a flamboyant braggart and very non self-effacing.

You're asking me to recount everything in a ~15-16 episode series, w/ each episode running ~90 mins. or more. That's a lot to account for. Only wish my recall was that good...

But your point re: "I see Jelly Roll as...a bit of a flamboyant braggart and very non self-effacing" says a lot, and it's a fair assessment. That being the case, of course he would try to take credit for a significant musical form/genre. It's true he was a significant figure, and Burns does discuss his contribution in the series--but more in the context of contemporary jazz as it developed in the 1930s. But claiming to be the 'inventor' is quite a stretch--the sort of thing a "flamboyant braggart" might say.

While I can't recall all of it, I do remember in Burns' series, they discuss how blacks--the sole practitioners of this musical style in the early days--were generally not permitted to play in 'white' clubs (or much of anywhere else) in part because this style of music was known as "jass"--a pejorative w/ a sexual connotation (and not a positive one). (Sorta like how Elvis was viewed in his early days: a sexual degenerate who shouldn't be given air time.) We're talking turn-of-the-century--a number of years before JR hit his stride, altho he first claimed to be the 'inventor' in the early 1900s--when he was barely a teen. More accurately, it was an outgrowth of a style--"black music"--that originated in the Congo Square (in NOLA), one the few places where it was permitted throughout the 19th century, which featured heavy syncopation and relied on improvisation. But it wasn't published until the 1890s, so it's difficult to quantify who, exactly, wrote the first tune(s). Since JR wasn't even born until 1890...

Which brings us to Miles. Was he the first jazz practitioner to ever play w/ someone from a diff. genre? Doubtful; I can see a jazzman going into a session, and the only drummer available is, say, a rockabilly drummer, or maybe R&B, and rolling w/ it as a matter of expedience. But did they consider they were creating a new genre? Just as doubtful. It's true that Miles did it mostly as a way to generate a wider audience--now there's a musician who was acutely aware of the biz side--but it's also true he was the first to promote it as "fusion" and offer it as a distinct genre. Still, Miles was nowhere near the "flamboyant braggart" JR was; flamboyant, yes, but...

I'd recommend the Burns series to anyone who has an interest in the roots/history of jazz. There's also a site--appropriately called jass.com--that has considerable info, but it's not nearly as comprehensive as Burns. Burns is able to garner large sums of money for the production of his series, and as a result, they all display an unparalleled degree of historical accuracy.

Re: Where do I start with the whole genre of Jazz?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:05 am
by Deadguitars
Miles
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this painting hangs in the studio we practice at

Miles is not happy w my noodling I think

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Re: Where do I start with the whole genre of Jazz?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:00 pm
by robbie552170
adam1131815 wrote:Alright, well I have always like jazz, but never really bothered to get into it. I was just wondering if I am just starting brand new getting into jazz, who do I start with?

I was also listening to this college radio and the dj said it was ambient jazz/funk music. I could definitely tell there was a jazz influence in the music. Is there even a sub-genre such as ambient jazz/funk music. Not sure if that is even the best description for it but oh well...

Thanks!

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Jazz is the music of emotion and intellect,you have Miles Davis,Hebbie Hancock,Duke Elington,just to
name a few.Listen to what moves you and go from there.