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like Slacker said, if you hit a "clam" you can always call it jazz! LOL..
my attempt at free-form jazz, Miles Davis please be kind to me! LOL

http://yourlisten.com/PieTime/hang-with-me

no Jookeyman, those two players don't ring a bell.. maybe they are buried in my unconscious ..I have been trying to wean myself off of smooth jazz, but I am having to force myself.. my jazz people I think of from the past are Eric Gale, The Crusaders, Spyro Gyra, Fourplay, Pat Martino, Herb Ellis, Lenny Breau, Barney Kessel, stuff like that.. but I am not a real jazz player, at my late stage in life, I am making an attempt at copping a feel for it, but it's tough to do.. so much easier to do the 1-4-5 blues rock/ country things

jook if you would, could you give me a link to a few "Free-Form" jazz artists so I see where the difference is in my opinion of what "free-form jazz" is..TIA..

it will take awhile, but I should be able to load up that youtube video on my dial-up.. thanks

hear is an interesting music site

https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Avant-Garde%20Jazz/33

maybe we (all BandMix boardies) should read this.. every genre of music known to man..

https://rateyourmusic.com/rgenre/

BillRas wrote:I tried to listen to your track, but nothing from that site will play on my machine.

Jookyman's right about Coleman, if you want to get into "free jazz" that's the guy to check out.
And, Cecil Taylor, Albeft Ayler, 70s Sun Ra, 1965 - 67 John Coltrane,
were all different takes on the "free thing", and there are many more.
A few well known "free jazz" guitarists are:
James Blood Ulmer here with Ornette Coleman https://youtu.be/FlY8puv3-tw
Derek Bailey https://youtu.be/ow-YPRq-t8A
Sonny Sharrock https://youtu.be/L01Y8FeOY-s

Bill, I am allowing downloads on "Hang With Me" so you should be able to download it even if the yourlisten.com player is inoperative, their player does not work for me either by the way..thanks

jookeyman wrote:Yes, just to verify what I posted-

Fred Frith and Marc Ribot play avant-garde guitar (but they can play "straight').
So does Henry Kaiser of CBA.

James Blood Ulmer & Sonny Sharrock both went on to play in funky ensembles, but they played free on top of the funk. I would rather put them in a funk/jazz genre but that's just my take. They both did some avant-garde stuff at various parts of their carriers esp. Ulmer's early stuff and Sharrock's Space Ghost recordings.

There is also a difference between 'avant-garde' jazz and 'free' jazz.
Avant-garde jazz can be structured w/ a set tempo (most being odd/even).
Free jazz is................free of these constraints but it still can have a 'feel'.
The lines can get a little blurry.

there must be at a minimum, 30 sub-genres of jazz, so I believe you when you say it can get a little blurry.. in my best Gump voice, you gotz acid jazz, smooth jazz, modal jazz, avant-garde jazz, smooth jazz, bebop, jazz-fusion, etc.

checked your trk, dayne. not bad, but i found the intonation/tuning of the gtrs a little off-putting.

a lot of people will hear something "progressive" or "outside" played and be quick to call it avante grade, or free jazz.

while those genres do have "outside" playing.....it's also quite common for someone to play "outside" on music that's straight ahead.

(hope that makes some sense)

Dayne Nobody IV wrote:like Slacker said, if you hit a "clam" you can always call it jazz! LOL..

mah gawd...if only i had a nickel for everytime some yahoo said that or some variation.

funny, i've never heard anyone who actually can PLAY jazz say it!

Planetguy wrote:checked your trk, dayne. not bad, but i found the intonation/tuning of the gtrs a little off-putting.

a lot of people will hear something "progressive" or "outside" played and be quick to call it avante grade, or free jazz.

while those genres do have "outside" playing.....it's also quite common for someone to play "outside" on music that's straight ahead.

(hope that makes some sense)

thanks planet! it was a "secret tuning" LOL!..

SECRET SAUCE!!!