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Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:57 pm
by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
I admit to never hearing of Pomplamoose, but this is a good read about the way live music is dying....


https://medium.com/@jackconte/pomplamoo ... 435851ba37

Pomplamoose just finished a 28-day tour. We played 24 shows in 23 cities around the United States. It was awesome: Nataly crowd surfed for the first time ever, we sold just under $100,000 in tickets, and we got to rock out with people we love for a full month. We sold 1129 tickets in San Francisco at the Fillmore. I’ll remember that night for the rest of my life.

One question that our fans repeatedly asked us was “what does it feel like to have ‘made it’ as a band?” Though it’s a fair question to ask of a band with a hundred million views on YouTube, the thought of Pomplamoose having “made it” is, to me, ridiculous.

Before I write another sentence, it’s important to note that Nataly and I feel so fortunate to be making music for a living. Having the opportunity to play music as a career is a dream come true. But the phrase “made it” does not properly describe Pomplamoose. Pomplamoose is “making it.” And every day, we bust our asses to continue “making it,” but we most certainly have not “made it.”

Being in an indie band is running a never-ending, rewarding, scary, low-margin small business. In order to plan and execute our Fall tour, we had to prepare for months, slowly gathering risk and debt before selling a single ticket. We had to rent lights. And book hotel rooms. And rent a van. And assemble a crew. And buy road cases for our instruments. And rent a trailer. And….

All of that required an upfront investment from Nataly and me. We don’t have a label lending us “tour support.” We put those expenses right on our credit cards. $17,000 on one credit card and $7,000 on the other, to be more specific. And then we planned (or hoped) to make that back in ticket sales.

We also knew that once we hit the road, we would be paying our band and crew on a weekly basis. One week of salaries for four musicians and two crew members (front of house engineer and tour manager) cost us $8794. That came out to $43,974 for the tour.

We built the tour budget ourselves and modeled projected revenue against expenses. Neither of us had experience with financial modeling, so we just did the best we could. With six figures of projected expenses, “the best we could” wasn’t super comforting.

The tour ended up costing us $147,802 to produce and execute. Where did all those expenses come from? I’m glad you asked:

Expenses
$26,450
Production expenses: equipment rental, lights, lighting board, van rental, trailer rental, road cases, backline.

$17,589
Hotels, and food. Two people per room, 4 rooms per night. Best Western level hotels, nothing fancy. 28 nights for the tour, plus a week of rehearsals.

$11,816
Gas, airfare, parking tolls. Holy sh*t, parking a 42-foot van is expensive.

$5445
Insurance. In case we break someone’s face while crowdsurfing.

$48,094
Salaries and per diems. Per diems are twenty dollar payments to each bandmate and crew member each day for food while we’re out. Think mechanized petty cash.

$21,945
Manufacturing merchandise, publicity (a radio ad in SF, Facebook ads, venue specific advertising), supplies, shipping.

$16,463
Commissions. Our awesome booking agency, High Road Touring, takes a commission for booking the tour. They deserve every penny and more: booking a four week tour is a huge job. Our business management takes a commission as well to do payroll, keep our finances in order, and produce the awesome report that lead to this analysis. Our lawyer, Kia Kamran, declined his commission because he knew how much the tour was costing us. Kia is the man.

Fortunately, Pomplamoose made some money to offset some of these expenses. Let’s look at our income from the tour:

Income
$97,519
Our cut of ticket sales. Dear fans, you are awesome. We love every ounce of your bodies. You’re the reason we can tour. Literally, 72% of our tour income came from the tickets you bought. THANK YOU.


The Aladdin Theater in Portland. Our first show of the tour.
$29,714
Merch sales. Hats, t-shirts, CDs, posters. 22% of our tour income.

$8,750
Sponsorship from Lenovo. Thank goodness for Lenovo! They gave us three laptops (to run our light show) and a nice chunk of cash. We thanked them on stage for saving our asses and supporting indie music. Some people think of brand deals as “selling out.” My guess is that most of those people are hobby musicians, not making a living from their music, or they’re rich and famous musicians who don’t need the income. If you’re making a living as an indie band, a tour sponsor is a shining beacon of financial light at the end of a dark tunnel of certain bankruptcy.

The Bottom Line
Add it up, and that’s $135,983 in total income for our tour. And we had $147,802 in expenses.

We lost $11,819.

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:59 pm
by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Where is the cash for today's bands?


https://bandzoogle.com/blog/where-s-the ... and-beyond

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:00 pm
by t-Roy and The Smoking Section

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:57 pm
by MikeTalbot
Yod

Good stuff. I'm watching a project morph into a lot more than I had planned, and while i have visions of sugerplums dancing in my head - I also know how to read a P&L statement.

Its a daunting task these days.

Thanks for the info and happy Thanksgiving!

Talbot

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:52 am
by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
I keep telling myself it can be done, while slipping farther behind...

Making an album (that is worth buying) has not gotten cheaper!?! There are better musicians available for the same money since everyone is trying to survive, but I've spent a lot of money and a little over a year making new recordings to keep from fading away. It's about to kill me, but the second disk has finally arrived and the third one is getting close.

http://t-Roy.rocks

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:53 pm
by GuitarMikeB
Thanks for sharing that article, Ted. Touring on a shoestring ...

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:39 pm
by schmedidiah
The consensus on my other forum is that these guys made some greenhorn assed mistakes, paying big bucks for a bunch of stuff they didn't need. Then they went and blogged about it. Let us hit you all over the head with a lecture about how hard our lives are. Boo hoo! :roll:

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:51 pm
by MikeTalbot
Schmed

It seemed to me that they were pretty frugal - where do you think the over ages were?

Happy Thanksgiving

Talbot

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:07 pm
by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
I've never heard of this band but apparently they only cover dance tunes or something???

This was from a post at the Lefzits blog. Most don't seem to feel sorry for them. Some think them just another high-paid cover band, and others think they should have cut more corners along the tour.

Here is one follow up comment:


What infuriates me is that this band is successful and could easily have walked with 40K in profit if they didn't recklessly budget for this tour. 5k for insurance for a month? 18K on hotels and food? And paying your crew $1500 a week is way too much at their level. They need a manager/business manager. What a joke.

Brendan O'Connell




$1500 a week for a crew that does what? Set up an arena show? Drive? Sound & Lights? Doesn't seem unreasonable, if it's 2 people or more.

18K on hotels and food for what? For 10 people touring 30 days that's about $60 each per day. Not unreasonable, unless that is supposed to cover beer, too ;-)

It would be easy to do this scenario, unless you all liked sleeping together and eat the cheapest fast food you can find.

But not everyone wants to grab the smelly couch of a fan every night. And have you seen what fast food every day will do to you? ewwww...

Yeah, they could have cut corners to be more frugal. But who wants to do that? Isn't rock n roll touring about livin' large?


:wink:

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:13 am
by schmedidiah
MikeTalbot wrote:Schmed

It seemed to me that they were pretty frugal - where do you think the over ages were?

Happy Thanksgiving

Talbot

Like I've said before, I'm nothing more than a hobby music guy. Kinda hard to verbalize these arguments, but this guy sums it up pretty well. http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/how_not_to_spend_150000_on_a_28_day_touran_op_ed_by_the_artery_foundations

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:34 pm
by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Just read that Schmedidah, and now it's a matter of perspective. After reading that breakdown, I think they could have saved 2k on the bus. Maybe, just maybe, a couple thou on room/board...but that's about it.

If you're a duo, which Pomplamoose apparently is, and you have to hire a band & crew for touring, this is what you're up against. Since they have a female, she is going to require her own space, or you'll have guys fighting each other and a bitch onstage every night.

I don't know any musicians worth hiring who want to "pay dues" for me. They all want to eat well, travel well, sleep well. Putting 10 people in one hotel room is a recipe for not finishing a tour.

Why should any band have to live like cockroaches for the "priviledge" of playing live? No corporation that treated its employees this way would have employees for long.

I used to stay with people but that got very old when you have to do it every night. No, I would rather sleep in a car, actually!!!

Getting a "meal" from the venue every day means eating pizza or cold fried chicken every day (if you're lucky!). It gets old quick, and eating fast food every day will kill you young. Either your life is worth living....or not. These expenses seem reasonable and average to me, so the answer is selling more merch, or getting more for a gig, or cutting down on personnel somehow, or finding a different line of work.

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:50 pm
by schmedidiah
I appreciate your perspective, as well as anyone who has gone through these kind of experiences to bring me live music. Music is my Christmas, Super Bowl, birthday, Bar-Mitzvah, funeral, revolution, religion, philosophy, etc, all rolled into one ball and mainlined. I can't live without it.

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:05 pm
by MikeTalbot
Schmed

And just to cheer you up - the first couple a hundred times you sleep on a hotel room floor with four other guys is not really so bad. It just isn't something you can keep doing after a while.

Lot of fun learning that though.

best

Talbot

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:06 pm
by schmedidiah
:lol:

Re: Pomplamoose Tour Profits (or Lack Thereof)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:48 am
by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
This is the follow up:

http://www.artistempathy.com/blog/the-p ... nd-martyrs


It's well worth the read...and there is one paragraph that I'll post because they make the point I was trying to make to all the haters who thought they were spending too much on musicians:


Pomplamoose was also skewered for paying their back-up band too much money. Why shouldn’t their back-up band do it for exposure and just crash in the van instead of at hotels? The reason it is ridiculous to suggest that is the same reason why contract workers everywhere get paid an hourly wage or contract amount for a project – they aren’t investors in the business and they can't be expected to assume the risk. Backing bands, engineers, and lighting and sound technicians are all a part of the infrastructure of the music industry. Pomplamoose is actually creating jobs here. Don’t we need more highly skilled jobs?



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